Topband: Strange propagation

Barry N1EU barry.n1eu at
Thu Jan 14 17:05:06 EST 2016

This is a BIG issue to grapple with.  It would make sense to me that a
callsign transmitted over the air should correspond to a station location
in a publically viewable registry and if the location of the transmission
deviates, the callsign needs to append /XX to reflect the station location.

73, Barry N1EU

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs at>

> Dave,  What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the
> rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of
> supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this
> scheme to put more stations on the air.  As this progresses the value of
> the entire DXCC program will diminish. There must be some brakes put on
> this before is is to late.  The other night I was thrilled to have an
> Italian station calling me on 160 only to learn later he was actually on
> the mainland via an RHR station.  Is this the way amateur radio is supposed
> to trend?
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
> On 1/14/2016 5:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>> Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent
>> locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work
>> DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will become
>> hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
>> Dave, W5UN
>> On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>>> I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the years
>>> here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I have also
>>> rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally scrapped enough
>>> money together and bought a home next to a large salt pond. I have full
>>> remote station here but it only functions for contest operated by a cliff
>>> dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC credit.  The problem with the US RHR
>>> deals is that it completely skews the process as far as the propagation
>>> differences across the fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals
>>> as I close into the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.
>>> It sure makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the
>>> way you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need a
>>> computer and an internet connection and everything else that used to a
>>> worthwhile effort is trashed.
>>> I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who originally
>>> from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to work a G
>>> station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I am afraid is the
>>> end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts of  QRO muscle and
>>> money decided who was on top. That is a shame and perhaps to some a
>>> disgrace as it really chances everything including the respect we have for
>>> those who did so much with so little.`
>>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>> On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>>>> I will say this:
>>>> operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone
>>>> else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, built by
>>>> your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are unable to build
>>>> one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a beautiful station and
>>>> antenna system here over the past fifteen years, only to see much of it
>>>> destroyed by storms in recent years. Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
>>>> Dave, W5UN
>>>> On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
>>>>> Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain these
>>>>> remote
>>>>> stations."
>>>>> My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the
>>>>> Remote Ham
>>>>> Radio network ( The
>>>>> stations
>>>>> are available for a price.
>>>>> I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is
>>>>> someone's
>>>>> home station (just like all the others in the network).
>>>>> Carl K9LA
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