Topband: Fwd: Strange propagation

Thu Jan 14 17:29:03 EST 2016

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry <pacer99 at aol.com>
To: barry.n1eu <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation

More than once I have worked some Ukraine station in the 160 meter contest at S9 plus when it is broad daylight in UB5. Obviously they are operating a remote station. Guess I need to log them, Ha.

The kicker is when i receive a QSL card direct and they expect a return.

Yes I understand the need to integrate modern technology into ham radio. Remote stations,
remote receiving locations etc. My opinion is that if you cant operate from your physical location for what ever the reason then try another hobby.

Happy new year!

Larry
N7DD

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>
To: topBand List <topband at contesting.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation

This is a BIG issue to grapple with.  It would make sense to me that a
callsign transmitted over the air should correspond to a station location
in a publically viewable registry and if the location of the transmission
deviates, the callsign needs to append /XX to reflect the station location.

73, Barry N1EU

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs at vitelcom.net>
wrote:

> Dave,  What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the
> rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of
> supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this
> scheme to put more stations on the air.  As this progresses the value of
> the entire DXCC program will diminish. There must be some brakes put on
> this before is is to late.  The other night I was thrilled to have an
> Italian station calling me on 160 only to learn later he was actually on
> the mainland via an RHR station.  Is this the way amateur radio is supposed
> to trend?
>
>
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 5:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>
>> Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent
>> locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work
>> DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will become
>> hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
>>
>> Dave, W5UN
>>
>> On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>>
>>> I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the years
>>> here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I have also
>>> rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally scrapped enough
>>> money together and bought a home next to a large salt pond. I have full
>>> remote station here but it only functions for contest operated by a cliff
>>> dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC credit.  The problem with the US RHR
>>> deals is that it completely skews the process as far as the propagation
>>> differences across the fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals
>>> as I close into the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.
>>> It sure makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the
>>> way you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need a
>>> computer and an internet connection and everything else that used to a
>>> worthwhile effort is trashed.
>>>
>>> I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who originally
>>> from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to work a G
>>> station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I am afraid is the
>>> end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts of  QRO muscle and
>>> money decided who was on top. That is a shame and perhaps to some a
>>> disgrace as it really chances everything including the respect we have for
>>> those who did so much with so little.`
>>>
>>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>>
>>> On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will say this:
>>>> operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone
>>>> else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, built by
>>>> your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are unable to build
>>>> one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a beautiful station and
>>>> antenna system here over the past fifteen years, only to see much of it
>>>> destroyed by storms in recent years. Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Dave, W5UN
>>>>
>>>> On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain these
>>>>> remote
>>>>> stations."
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the
>>>>> Remote Ham
>>>>> Radio network (http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/). The
>>>>> stations
>>>>> are available for a price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is
>>>>> someone's
>>>>> home station (just like all the others in the network).
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl K9LA
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