Topband: Strange propagation

Carl Braun Carl.Braun at lairdtech.com
Thu Jan 14 22:11:58 EST 2016 

JC hit the nail on the head...lets identify those who are using RHR openly.  My preference would be a specific suffix designator that would identify the transmitting station and then let's see if anyone wants to work a RHR on the air.

I witnessed a local san diego station working RHR last Christmas via a KH6 RHR station with the implication he was actually in Hawaii.  Operators asked about the WX and operating power with the stateside station playing along as if he was truly in Hawaii.  QSOs went on and on without any clarification from the stateside operator that signed KH6/xxxxx.

My suggestion is to determine a suitable (international) suffix designator for RHR stations so we all know who and where the signal is coming from...or NOT.  Those opposed to that rationale could be those that enjoy the thrill of deception rather than an honest QSO.  What other reason could there be for a station that wouldn't want to use a suffix designator that clearly identifies the fact that their RF origin could literally be from anywhere in the world?

BTW, there hasn't been so many posts related to a single topic since........well, since the first time RHR was discussed on the reflector.  This topic has so many posts it constipated my netzero account.

Carl AG6X

-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of JC
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:39 PM
To: 'TopBand'
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation



<<RHR is just another form of progress due to advances in technology, if we did not embrace progress in ham radio technology we would all still be talking to one another on Lunch boxes and Gooney boxes!  >>

The issue is what you do and not what you say 

If all this new technology is do good , the HRH users should be proud of is and PUBLISH, open publicly and announce proudly . 

""  I am a HRH user!!! ""

However that is far from reality,  the main business drive is privacy. HRH warranty nobody will possibly know you are using this fantastic technology.

WHY?? Open the list of users, be proud of it! 

My 100 cents

N4IS
JC



-----Original Message-----
From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs at vitelcom.net>
To: topband <topband at contesting.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation

Dave,  What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this scheme to put more stations on the air.  As this progresses the value of the entire DXCC program will diminish. There must be some brakes put on this before is is to late.  The other night I was thrilled to have an Italian station calling me on 160 only to learn later he was actually on the mainland via an RHR station.  Is this the way amateur radio is supposed to trend?


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 1/14/2016 5:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
> Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent 
> locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work 
> DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will become 
> hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
>
> Dave, W5UN
>
> On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
>> I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the 
>> years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I 
>> have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally 
>> scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large salt 
>> pond. I have full remote station here but it only functions for 
>> contest operated by a cliff dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC 
>> credit.  The problem with the US RHR deals is that it completely 
>> skews the process as far as the propagation differences across the 
>> fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals as I close into 
>> the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.  It sure 
>> makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the way 
>> you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need 
>> a computer and an internet connection and everything else that used 
>> to a worthwhile effort is trashed.
>>
>> I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who 
>> originally from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to 
>> work a G station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I 
>> am afraid is the end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts 
>> of  QRO muscle and money decided who was on top. That is a shame and 
>> perhaps to some a disgrace as it really chances everything including 
>> the respect we have for those who did so much with so little.`
>>
>> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
>>
>> On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
>>> I will say this:
>>> operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone 
>>> else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, 
>>> built by your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are 
>>> unable to build one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a 
>>> beautiful station and antenna system here over the past fifteen 
>>> years, only to see much of it destroyed by storms in recent years.
>>> Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
>>>
>>> Dave, W5UN
>>>
>>> On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
>>>> Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain 
>>>> these remote stations."
>>>>
>>>> My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the 
>>>> Remote Ham Radio network 
>>>> (http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/). The stations are 
>>>> available for a price.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is 
>>>> someone's home station (just like all the others in the network).
>>>>
>>>> Carl K9LA
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