Topband: K5P good job !

Doug Renwick ve5ra at
Mon Jan 18 12:07:53 EST 2016

Good point.  I use that same technique when the callers get out of sync.
What appears to be lids are actually folks who are out of sync.  I gave the
callsign twice on 160 phone from Clipperton to keep things under control.
I will admit that I have used the continuous calling technique when the DX
station was listening randomly without any pattern (i.e. crap shoot).  Also
I will call when I believe the DX has busted my call, which happens too


I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-----Original Message-----

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at>

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
> 73, Roger
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstangelo at wrote:
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>> Mike N2MS
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