Topband: K5P good job !

Louis Parascondola gudguyham at
Mon Jan 18 12:09:32 EST 2016

That's correct, and the ones who do it know it.  It's a real nasty way to "tail end". "Tail ending" is nothing new and has been proven also as a tactic.  Sometimes it works real good and it all depends on the Dx operator and his habits.  Constant calling is a combination of tail ending and what ever other purpose it serves on getting "picked out".  When a dx station is operating split, it means nothing, it's only when the operation is simplex.  It seems that the "call area" system by the DX op's has gone by the wayside due to the call sign assignment, but one could still use /X if they want.  That used to narrow down the pile up somewhat on a simplex operation.  I suppose working split does away with the need for that.  There has been numerous articles written on the subject of increasing your odds on working a rare DX station in pile  ups.  As long as a DX op is constant you can usually find an MO.  

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Kirk <wd8dsb at>
To: Roger D Johnson <n1rj at>
Cc: topband <topband at>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 11:39 am
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at>

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
> 73, Roger
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstangelo at wrote:
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>> Mike N2MS
>> _________________
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