Topband: CQ WW CW 160m observations

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

One thing that occurred to me reading this and parallel threads, is that
the path was really high angle. Possibly high enough to be well into the
"doughnut hole" high angle null of a "pure" vertical. The presumption is
that the DX is always, always, always, no exceptions, coming through at low
angles. What if not. Then the listening antennas with common acceptance of
high angle signals would hear, but the transmit signal would be
significantly disadvantaged by a pattern with ONLY low angle radiation.
Would seem as if was one-way transmission if the general path loss was poor

Perhaps that's a point where a favorably oriented inverted L with a
significant horizontal section would have an advantage.

It's possible that a high angle path happens often enough, but a better
signal in an RX antenna than the TX would be an expected outcome regardless
and not a clue to high angle arrival. The real clue would be hearing well
enough on RX antenna, but not being able to break through going back.

73, Guy.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:57 PM, MR TREVOR DUNNE <ei2glb at eircom.net> wrote:

> Sorry Ray I guess my RX loop just didn't hear you, I will put up something
> aimed towards NA for CQ160
>
> 73
> Trevor
> EI2GLB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rayn6vr <rayn6vr at gmail.com>
> To: MR TREVOR DUNNE <ei2glb at eircom.net>, Ian Fugler <zen90387 at zen.co.uk>
> Cc: Topband at contesting.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 21:58:20 -0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: Topband: CQ WW CW 160m observations
>
> Trevor,I called u for almost 20 minutes  my Saturday evening just before
> ur SR. U peaked 459 at times but u never hear me or some of the other Ws
> calling.Hoping for better condx.Ray, N6VR Near Prescott, AZ
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: MR TREVOR DUNNE <ei2glb at eircom.net>
> Date: 11/27/17  11:38 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Ian Fugler <zen90387 at zen.co.uk>
> Cc: Topband at contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: CQ WW CW 160m
> observations
> Thanks for the report Ian you did very well, me not being able to run is a
> big reason why I missed lots I really need to improve my CW,
>
> 73
> Trevor
> EI2GLB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ian Fugler <zen90387 at zen.co.uk>
> To: Gary at ka1j.com, Topband at contesting.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:55:29 -0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: Topband: CQ WW CW 160m observations
>
> Trevor
>
> I worked 123 US stations on topband over the weekend, including Gary KA1J
> (thanks!) and a couple in Zone 3.  However, I think conditions were not
> great and it seemed on several occasions that the US stations were hearing
> EU better than we could hear them.  Some of the RBN reports from north
> America on my signal were never matched by any of the US or VE people that
> called me.  In fact, I think that all of my north American contacts were
> when I was running.  Every time I clicked on a spot for a W or VE station,
> I
> could not hear them.  I also struggled to hear (let alone work) much beyond
> zone 18 to the east.
>
> So, I think condx were down and the general band noise in EU was high.
>
> 73,
>
> Ian G4IIY
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Smith
> Sent: 27 November 2017 14:39
> To: Topband at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: CQ WW CW 160m observations
>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> I'm in Connecticut. I didn't compete much, I was too busy otherwise this
> weekend. I ran full power to give out some Q's on 160.
>
> I heard many more EU than I could get to hear me. Some stations I called
> maybe 20 times and they either didn't reply to me or went to another call.
> Odd, I usually make nearly all the EU contacts I hear in a contest.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > First time to give 160 a good go during CQ WW and I was surprised how
> > few NA stations I heard,
> >
> > I feel I was active at the right time 03-08utc but apart from VO1HP
> > K3LR and W3LPL I don't think I worked a half a dozen more, worked some
> > Caribbean stations as well I don't have a contest winning setup by any
> > means but I was expecting a lot more from NA, due to work I'm going to
> > miss the ARRL 160 contest next weekend which is a pity as it would
> > give me a better chance to see how well I can hear NA, Just wondering
> > how did guys over this side find NA prop and how did the NA guys find
> > prop to EU??
> >
> > Thanks
> > Trevor
> > EI2GLB
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