# Topband: Impedance of inv l?

donovanf at starpower.net donovanf at starpower.net
Mon Nov 19 18:53:38 EST 2018

```Hi Jamie,

I forgot to mention that nearby conductive objects, especially nearby
towers can significantly affect the base impedance of a vertical.

Nearby on 160 meters is about 200 feet...

73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: donovanf at starpower.net
To: "Topband" <topband at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 1:31:27 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Impedance of inv l?

Hi Jamie,

I use my AA-54 frequently in exactly the manner you're using your
AA-23, I've never had any reason to be suspicious of any of its
miles.

Your AA-230 is telling you that at least half of your power is being
lost to ground resistance and need to at least double the number of

The 2000 feet of wire in your radial system likely would have produced
much better results with twice as many radials of half the radial length
you used. Quarter wavelength radials aren't cost effective until many
more than 60 radials are used.

73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s at zoominternet.net>
To: "Topband" <topband at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 10:33:13 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Impedance of inv l?

several have asked how I am measuring the impedance.....I'm using an AA-230,
and am all the ALL PARAMS setting.....the 230 defaults to a series model, is
that what I want, don’t see how to change it to parallel. I think the symbol
for impedance is |Z|, correct?

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From: F Z_Bruce
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:20 PM
To: wes_n7ws at triconet.org ; Topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Impedance of inv l?

The far end is high impedance voltage, and has minimum  horizontal
current radiation.  The inverted L is a good trade off signal vs
available height.  Not an expensive antenna to build.

73
Bruce-k1fz

On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 12:31:38 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:

That also drives up the current in the horizontal wire with attendant
increased

I chose for a couple of reason to do the opposite; shorten the wire to make
the
feedpoint capacitive and use a shunt inductor to get a 50-ohm match.
This
really doesn't improve the 2:1 VSWR, that I consider acceptable, however.

Wes  N7WS

On 11/18/2018 8:55 AM, F Z_Bruce wrote:
> That sounds about right. As you put a good ground system under it, that
value will come down, and the efficiency will come up.
>
> Many add extra antenna wire that pushes the current up the wire, this
also raises  the impedance, hopefully to near 50 ohms with the right
length.
> A capacitor (variable, then fixed) in series at the feed point can
>
> 73
> Bruce-k1fz
> https://www.qsl.net/k1fz/beverage_antenna.html
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:41:36 -0500, WW3S wrote:
>
> What should the Z be for a 1/4 wave inv l, with the radials attached to
a radial plate? Mine seems to be 60 ohms or so....
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