Topband: RE topband Leaving

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

This hobby is dead if we keep chasing off people.

There is no reason we can't treat people respectfully here.  If you 
can't then maybe those need to leave or Tree needs to show them the door.

W0MU


On 9/5/2018 11:01 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:13:21 -0400
> From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Waters <mikewate at gmail.com>
> Cc: ad4hk2004 at yahoo.com, topband <topband at contesting.com>, Tree
> <tree at kkn.net>
> Subject: Re: Topband: RE topband Leaving
>
> <I had to go rummage around my Trash folder to find the original post that
> <started this from the FT8 arguments in addition to the "millennials causing
> <the WWV shutdown" argument, it appears that the parts of the hobby that I
> <enjoy do not cross paths with those on the topband reflector. Although I
> <wish you all many CW DX, it appears that I am no longer welcome and that I
> <must take my leave.?
>
> <I've no idea what the millennial and WWV comment is about as I did not
> <follow that thread.
>
> <So we're back to the old FT8 vs CW argument.    Was this person
> <specifically harassed and hunted down for his views?   Shame on the
> <moderators if that's what happened.    Or, did ?the leaver? just not feel
> <welcomed because others expressed contrary views and wouldn't back off?
>
> <73 Mark K3MSB
>
> ##  I went through it all with a microscope.   The fellow in question needs
> thicker skin, its a simple as that.   On some of the car forums I belong  to,
> like the mustang forum, you require really thick skin.
>
> ##  Everybody is entitled to  an observation,  comment, point of view,
> counter argument, etc, etc.   I just laughed at the.. millennials causing the
> wwv shut down...... they have nothing to do with it of course.   It was most likely
> ..tongue in cheek.   I use  wwv to align my tcxos... using the 20 mhz  wwv  as
> 1st choice....and  15 mhz  wwv as 2nd choice.
>
> ##  FT8  vs  cw.  No brainer there folks.  FT8 is a game changer...whether you
> grasp the concept..or not.  Too bad, so sad.
>
> ##  Remote station  on a quiet hilltop.. vs postage stamp sized noisy city lot..
> same deal.   But  remote  RX  is a big no no.  1.5 kw into  a 200 ft tall stacked array on
> upper bands is ok.... but  5 kw into a dipole is a no-no.  Both those last 2 make no sense to
> me at all.  ERP makes more sense.    Why is a remote  RX  a no-no... but a complete
> RX- TX  remote station ok ?   Who makes these rules ?
>
> ##  W8JI is a smart  fellow... but he still doesnt  know how to construct or design a real
> CM  choke...that actually works and doesnt blow up.
> Folks could easily hear his  2nd harmonic on 80m...so much for the harmonic suppression
> in the amps used.  He got a lot of it right... and a lot of it is out to lunch.  His arguments
> against the use of  ESSB  are flawed... unless you use the  W8JI  convoluted  2 tone test,
> with  extreme tone spacing..which is the only way to get  simultaneous   high and low freqs.
> The only other method is program material..like  rock n roll.   Plane voice wont do it.
>
> ##  But thats  all water under the bridge.   WWV is not about to get shut down anytime soon.
> Nor is  FT8  going to be a passing fad.   Its here to stay.   What do you use to send cw.. a
> vibroplex..or a keyboard ?   Whats next..outlaw skimmers ?   Just ignore it.
>
> Jim   VE7RF
>
>
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