Topband: Blatant cheating using Remote Operation

[Roger D Johnson]

I've been saying this for years! It's pretty clear in the regs:

§ 97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must 
transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each 
communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication, for the 
purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the station known 
to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified 
communications or signals, or transmit as the station call sign, any call sign 
not authorized to the station.

Unfortunately, the FCC is a shadow of it's former self with virtually no
enforcement anymore. They're a bunch of lawyers whose main concern appears
the auctioning of spectrum to make big bucks for the Government...and I thought
the airwaves belonged to the people!.

73, Roger N1RJ


On 10/12/2019 4:39 PM, Dave Clouser wrote:
> My opinion, may not be popular.
> Note:  I'm not talking about hams remoting to _their own_ station.  That is what 
> the great technology is meant for.
> 
> A remote station to someone else s equipment is not identifying legally in my 
> opinion.  Think about it.  What if there is RFI or other malicious interference 
> other coming from that station? There is no way to identify it.  The station 
> identifies as whoever is using the remote.
> 
> Remotes should be required, per FCC, to identify as the station that is 
> transmitting.  That means the licensed operator in that particular location who 
> owns the station.
> Example: NZ3M/W1XXX or whatever.
> 
> There are hundreds of stations that hams can log into all over the world and 
> operate using their own call sign.  Some large stations are $ per minute and 
> many are free.
> 
> This is my 2 cents, take it as you wish.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dave NZ3M
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2019 3:54 PM, Raymond Benny wrote:
>> Greg, you, VU2GSM and others openly state how you are operating, and follow
>> the accepted rules. And I'm glad you do.
>>
>> Those who do not and claim DXCC credit for a out of country remote credit
>> should openly be called out. This may not stop many of them but atleast
>> they will known we know their mode of operation.
>>
>> I do hope that those calling out stations have darn good evidence and not
>> doing it as a personal vendetta.
>>
>> Ray,
>> N6VR
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 11:59 AM Greg - ZL3IX <zl3ix at inet.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys need to be more discriminatory when discussing remote operation. I
>>> use a remote installation, and have for years, but I abide by the DXCC
>>> rules which state that the Tx and Rx antennas have to be within 500 m of
>>> each other. Furthermore, this installation I designed and built myself,
>>> and I maintain myself, with great effort. This practice should NOT be
>>> equated with the practice of using a random Rx installation on the Net,
>>> probably not even in the same country as the operator using it.
>>>
>>> 73, Greg, ZL3IX
>>>
>>> On 2019-10-13 07:34, WW3S wrote:
>>>> Good for you Roger....you always hear about hams using remotes to work
>>> the dx, but they don’t usually say much when the dx uses a remote to hear
>>> them....
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> There is no way an organization such as the ARRL can prevent cheating
>>> in the DXCC program. It has to depend on the honesty of the hams involved.
>>> Yes..some
>>>>> people will cheat but I can't see how they can derive any satisfaction
>>> from
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last year I worked VU2GSM on Top Band. I heard rumors that Kanti used
>>> remote
>>>>> receiving locations and, when asked, he freely admitted it. He's in my
>>> log
>>>>> but I didn't claim credit for that contact.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Roger N1RJ
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