Topband: [TowerTalk] Beverage impedance change in cold WX solved

[VE6WZ_Steve]

I completed my experiment, and it appears that cooling the transformer by 40 deg C has very little change on the matching transformer.

The 9:1 transformer was terminated with a 560 ohm resistor and swept with the Nano-VNA and showed almost exactly 75 ohms on 160, 80 and 40m at room temperature.
The transformer was put in the freezer that is at -20 deg C using my temperature thermocouple gauge on the Fluke multimeter.
The transformer was swept again after an hour of cooling and the sweep was virtually identical.  No change.

I made a short 2 min video showing the process as I chuck the transformer into the freezer with the chicken.  My wife just shook her head as I explained I am just doing a very typical Ham radio experiment.

vid here if you want to see my test method: https://youtu.be/CNkSrqG0H1c
73, de steve ve6wz

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, jimlux <jimlux at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> On 1/22/20 1:18 PM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote:
>> Thanks Jim!
>> I didn't look at the Fair Rite catalog, but yes…its there on page 8.  I am using 73 material Binocular cores.
>> The temp. coefficient for 73 material is .65 % per deg C.  My temp change is about 50 deg C, therefore the permeability will change 33 % !!
>> That seems like a decent amount.
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> Go to page 28, and there's a curve of properties vs temperature. It looks like mu is 1500 at -40C and 2100 at 0C  (that's at 10kHz, where mu'' (the loss) is very low.
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> The impedance at 10 MHz changes from about 80% at -40 to about 90% at 0 to a peak of 100% at 30C.
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> https://www.fair-rite.com/73-material-data-sheet/
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> unfortunately, they don't give you a way to download permeability vs temperature.
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>> I am going to do an experiment today.
>> Wind a 9:1 transformer, terminate it with 600 ohm resistor, and sweep with analyzer. Save file.  Should be pretty flat at 75 Ohms.
>> Put the transformer in the freezer for an hour or so, take out and remeasure. (I wont cool the resistor)  Unfortunately my freezer dose not get to -41 deg C like it does outside, but the results may be telling.
>> Yes I could calculate it based on the catalog info, but that is above my pay-grade.
>> de steve ve6wz
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