[TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 40

Thu Nov 15 09:06:25 EST 2007

Supports just exactly what I said earlier....

--Are you kiddin'?  You just have to wonder how many of these success
stories are in reality just accidents looking for the right time and place
to 'drop trow'. I also maintain that some of these weekend warriors are the
reason why it can be so hard to get a permit to install and /or permission
to install a tower for many of the rest. --

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:46 AM
To: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 40

Hey Guys, 
The stories I was talking about, Where from other people who have put these
towers up. All the towers that I have installed have been well built and
installed as close to specs as possible by the owner. I don't tell anyone
how to install towers. I show or tell them the specs from the book and go
with that. If they want to cut corners thats there choice. I just stack
towers. I don't do any ground work. If it does not look right, I wont touch
it. And as for as encouraging others to do it different is not my
intentions. Just stating the facts that most hams and CB'ers will not follow
instructions. Like guyed post, guy wires, clamps, bolts, and brackets.

Here is an example: Man installs a 120 foot tower using trailer house
anchors and two sets of 3/16" guyes. Three element HF beam and a dual band
ground plain antenna at the top. I told him he was crazy for using trailer
house anchors first off (3 foot long). Then only two sets of wires. Are you
nuts. He said that if a trailer house anchor could hold a trailer down it
should work for a tower. First big thunder storm comes and blows it down
across his house.
I tried. But he would not listen.

I'm only saying what I have seen. I love my Ham buddies. I can give them
better guidence than some ex CBer. I'd rather do it than see one of my
buddies get hurt.I can go on and on about all the towers I have seen put up
by other people including professonals (which cut corners too). 

Again I do not install base concrete or guy anchors. I only stack and
un-stack sections.

I enjoyed staying with Bill, And listening to his advice. His tower was the
first 55 that I have stacked.

Read the Rohn Book of specs.

W5KGT
Kevin Thomas
Calhoun,La.

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   1. Re: Rohn 25G Tower (Cqtestk4xs at aol.com)
   2. Re: Rohn 25G Tower (Michael Ryan)
   3. Re: F12 EF-140S (Phil Snyder)
   4. Re: Cable Treatment Suggestions (Ian White GM3SEK)
   5. Re: Rohn 25G Tower (David Calder)
   6. unguyed Rohn 25 (Gregg Seidl)
   7. Re: Rohn 25G Tower (Wayne Kline)
   8. Re: unguyed Rohn 25 (w5ba at charter.net)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:11:14 EST
From: Cqtestk4xs at aol.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn 25G Tower
To: TOWERTALK at contesting.com
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In a message dated 11/13/2007 12:20:30 A.M. Greenwich Standard Time,  
w5kgt at w5kgt.com writes:

I have  installed over 85 Rohn 25G towers in the past 30 years. Many have 
been 40-50  foot with the proper base and no guy wires. These have been for
the 
CB'ers and  Ham radio operators. These also have anywhere between 3 & 6
element 
beams.  Never have heard of a problem with any of these. I know of a 70 foot

Rohn 25G  tower that has a 4 element Moonraker beam with no guy wires. It
has 
a 5'x5'x5'  concrete base and still standing after 25 years of North
Louisiana 
 weather....W5KGT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Uh, Kevin installed my tower out here in KH6.  Kevin has a pretty  big brass

set to hover above the ground on 50 feet of unguyed Rohn  25...especially
with 
a tribander on top.  This is an accident waiting to  happen. 

In Florida I saw the results of what a hurricane can do to Rohn 25 and it  
ain't pretty.  With several hundred pounds of tower and antenna at that
height, 
the installation can be lethal.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's safe.  I can drive  with

without using my hands for a while and just because I can do it doesn't
mean 
it is a smart thing to do.

YMMV.

Bill K4XS/KH7XS

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:50:29 -0500
From: "Michael Ryan" <mryan001 at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn 25G Tower
To: <Cqtestk4xs at aol.com>, <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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Bill, In my opinion you are right on the money. I read stuff on here about
how successful guys have been with their respective projects. Most are cool.
This week the subject is the Rohn 25....a lot of discussion on UN-GUYED Rohn
25. Are you kiddin'?  You just have to wonder how many of these success
stories are in reality just accidents looking for the right time and place
to 'drop trow'. I also maintain that some of these weekend warriors are the
reason why it can be so hard to get a permit to install and /or permission
to install a tower for many of the rest. The auto manufacturers do not
include a manual on how to drive in the glove compartment of each car they
sell. They assume the buyer does. The same is true of the companies who sell
towers and related "stuff" ( that's 'tower talk' for equipment). Fact is it
can be just as dangerous to install or service a tower without the
experience and/or due diligence as it is to take a drive on The Howard
Frankland Bridge... but they'll keep on doing it. I can hear it now "...my
brother-in-law said it would be ok." All I have to say is, 
" good luck, my brass balled buddies."  - Mike

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