[TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 73, Issue 61
Ben McManus
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Fri Jan 30 13:27:56 EST 2009
They gave me one, but it's standard mail, so they don't guarantee
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: Wrench, got it - tnx (Ted Bryant)
> 2. Re: Orion 2800 replacement mast clamp available (Dick Green WC1M)
> 3. Re: Tool name? (Ed Williams)
> 4. Re: Tool name? (Asfco)
> 5. Re: Tool name? (Perry - K4PWO)
> 6. Slightly off topic N9FAA (D.G.)
> 7. Re: Tool name? (offset ratcheting box-end wrenches)
> (David J Windisch)
> 8. Re: Slightly off topic N9FAA (Jack)
> 9. Re: Relay lightening protection (jimlux)
> 10. Re: Relay lightening protection (Kipton Moravec)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:40:18 -0500
> From: "Ted Bryant" <W4NZ at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wrench, got it - tnx
> To: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <BJEOILMPLFOEOFMENOBOCEJICNAA.W4NZ at comcast.net>
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> Ratcheting box-end wrench. I own a set and they are VERY handy.
>
> here's an example:
> http://www.mytoolstore.com/sk/sk03156.html
>
> 73, Ted W4NZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of K7LXC at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:14 PM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Wrench, got it - tnx
>
>
> Howdy --
>
> I guess I should've done a google search first. It's just a
> reversible
> ratcheting wrench - go figure. I thought there was a more generic
> name.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve K7LXC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:17:15 -0500
> From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Orion 2800 replacement mast clamp available
> To: "'Dino Darling'" <dino at kx6d.com>, <K7LXC at aol.com>
> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV8F5A67416D6BEB80FA79B8DC60 at phx.gbl>
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> Both clamps look more than adequate to the task. However, I see some
> problems:
>
> 1. Steve, my M2 OR2800, which was bought new last year, has a bolt and
> bushing in the middle of the base shelf that stick up about an inch
> above
> the surface of the base plate. The bolt pulls the rotor output shaft
> up to
> the base plate and can't be omitted. There's also a trapezoidal metal
> fixture that slips over the bolt head and provides a handy way to
> center the
> mast. The fixture can be omitted, but it's nice to have. Your clamp
> would
> need a large hole in the center of its base plate so it could slip
> over the
> bolt head and bushing. Even if there was a hole, I'm not sure there
> would be
> enough clearance in your clamp to accommodate the fixture. Also,
> both the
> stock clamp and Kurt's have elongated bolt holes that allow some
> slop in the
> clearances. I don't recall offhand if the base shelf has elongated
> holes,
> but I don't think so.
>
> 2. Kurt's clamp has a large hole in the center that's specifically
> designed
> to accommodate the bolt and bushing. Don't know if the centering
> fixture
> would fit, though. Given that Kurt's base plate has elongated holes,
> the
> centering fixture would come in handy. But the big problem is it
> looks like
> you wouldn't be able to retrofit Kurt's clamp into an existing system
> without jacking up the mast or removing the rotor. The clamp is so
> tall I'm
> not even sure it could be done by just removing the rotor -- i.e.,
> you might
> have to jack up the mast in any case. Not fun.
>
> 3. M2 specifically warns against pinning the mast to their rotor,
> and they
> say it will void the warranty. Evidently, they feel that if the mast
> isn't
> allowed to slip under extreme circumstances, it will tear up the
> inside of
> the rotor. If Steve's and Kurt's clamps do what they say, then
> they'll be
> just as good as pinning the mast. Therefore, their use will
> essentially
> violate the rotor manufacturer's instructions. Violation of the LXC
> Prime
> Directive?
>
> (P.S. My stock mast clamps slipped a tad -- about 7 degrees -- this
> winter
> in a very high wind. Because this is less than the rotor's allowed
> overtravel, I was able to enter an offset calibration factor in the
> Green
> Heron Rotor controller to compensate until I can climb up there and
> fix it
> come springtime.)
>
> 73, Dick WC1M
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dino Darling [mailto:dino at kx6d.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:31 PM
>> To: K7LXC at aol.com
>> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Orion 2800 replacement mast clamp available
>>
>> Kurt has one too...
>> http://www.k7nv.com/proppitch/id35.htm
>> I've used Kurt's on his prop pitch rotors and they work great! All
>> that surface area against the mast makes for an excellent system.
>>
>> Steve, I would like to see elongated holes to center the clamp for
>> use of DX Engineering's saddle clamps.
>> http://www.dxengineering.com/Products.asp?ID=14&SecID=1&DeptID=39
>>
>> The saddle clamps also give you a larger surface area against the
>> mast. You could have used half as many clamps if not
>> more. Unfortunately, those saddle clamps would move the center of
>> mast away from true center and you now have binding issues. If you
>> have time to make some minor changes, you have a winner of a product
>> at a good price.
>>
>>
>> Dino - KX6D
>>
>> At 03:59 PM 1/28/2009, K7LXC at aol.com wrote:
>>> Howdy -
>>>
>>> If you're the owner of an M2 Orion 2800 rotator, chances are
>> excellent
>>> that your antenna system has slipped in the wind at some point. The
>> factory
>>> mast clamp has 2 fatal flaws: 1) the clamping teeth are not aligned
>> and have
>>> less than 0.5 square inches of actual clamping surface; and 2) the
>>> nut and bolt
>>> surfaces are dimpled which flatten over time so the fasteners
>>> loosen
>> up and
>>> the mast slips again. The Champion Radio Products clamp eliminates
>> both
>>> problems. They're $160.00 plus s/h.
>>> http://www.championradio.com/misc.html
>>> (http://www.championradio.com/misc.html)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve K7LXC
>>> Champion Radio Products
>>> Cell: 206-890-4188
>>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in
>> between, stay
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>>
>> Dino - KX6D
>> dino at kx6d.com
>> (please note my new e-mail address and update your address books)
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:59:43 -0500
> From: "Ed Williams" <sunset392 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
> To: <K7LXC at aol.com>, <towertalk at contesting.com>
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> Hi Steve,
> You might like to try the following a 2 wrench set with 8 sizes.
>
> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200344807
> _200344807
>
> I have both the standard and metric versions. They work very smooth.
>
> 73, de KN4KL ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of K7LXC at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:59 PM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
>
> Howdy, TowerTalkians --
>
> What is the name of the closed-end, single sized wrench that has a
> plastic inner ratchet and you can reverse it by moving a little
> lever? I've
> used
> them but I don't know what they're called. Tnx.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve K7LXC
> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in
> between,
> stay
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:06:16 -0500
> From: "Asfco" <asfco at nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
> To: "Ed Williams" <sunset392 at cox.net>, <K7LXC at aol.com>,
> <towertalk at contesting.com>
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> This was my guess at the tool name you were looking for...
> gearwrench is great & the best thing about these is that it does not
> require
> you to move the handle all that much in order to grip and move the
> fastener.
> Some types of these wrenches require a much longer length of travel
> making
> them almost useless under certain conditions where you don't have
> all that
> much room to play with.
> 73
> John W2GB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Williams" <sunset392 at cox.net>
> To: <K7LXC at aol.com>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>> You might like to try the following a 2 wrench set with 8 sizes.
>>
>> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200344807
>> _200344807
>>
>> I have both the standard and metric versions. They work very smooth.
>>
>> 73, de KN4KL ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of K7LXC at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:59 PM
>> To: towertalk at contesting.com
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
>>
>> Howdy, TowerTalkians --
>>
>> What is the name of the closed-end, single sized wrench that has a
>> plastic inner ratchet and you can reverse it by moving a little
>> lever?
>> I've
>> used
>> them but I don't know what they're called. Tnx.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in
>> between,
>> stay
>> up-to-date with the latest news.
>> (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:58:49 -0600
> From: "Perry - K4PWO" <k4pwo at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <66C2F440691F402DB8BBE2BEF740690D at K4PWO1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> Sear's Craftsman tools has them.
> They are all steel however, and not cheap!
>
> 73 de Perry - K4PWO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger (K8RI)" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk at tm.net>
> Cc: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 17:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
>
>
>>
>>
>> K7LXC at aol.com wrote:
>>> Howdy, TowerTalkians --
>>>
>>> What is the name of the closed-end, single sized wrench that
>>> has a
>>> plastic inner ratchet and you can reverse it by moving a little
>>> lever?
>>> I've used
>>> them but I don't know what they're called. Tnx.
>>>
>> It's a box ratchet, but there has to be a proper name for the
>> thing. The
>> only place I've seen them was when they were advertised on TV a
>> couple
>> of years back. The ones I saw didn't have a lever, you had to turn
>> the
>> wrench over. I was thinking, that'd be real handy backing a bolt
>> out in
>> a tight space if you didn't have enough room to get the wrench off
>> the
>> bolt. <:-)) I've often thought a set of them with a reversing lever
>> like you described would be very handy.
>>>
>>>
>> 73
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve K7LXC
>>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in
>>> between,
>>> stay
>>> up-to-date with the latest news.
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: "D.G." <indianaj0nes at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Slightly off topic N9FAA
> To: towertalk at contesting.com, Perry - K4PWO <k4pwo at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <360335.88180.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
>
> ?
> Hi,
> ?
> I am N9FAA.? Please vote for me in a Hollywood contest.
> ?
> http://www.if.net/contests/general/491981?cid=680371
> ?
> See VOTE green circle under the video.
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:48:05 -0500
> From: "David J Windisch" <davidjw at cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tool name? (offset ratcheting box-end
> wrenches)
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <3EACE6E02C554B209FDE27100739D495 at DavidJWindisPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Fwiw, I occasionally get tool stuff from Horrible Fright so I'm not
> out so
> much when it grows legs and walks away:
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42684
>
> 73 Dave W8FGX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:59 PM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tool name?
>
>
>> Howdy, TowerTalkians --
>>
>> What is the name of the closed-end, single sized wrench that has a
>> plastic inner ratchet and you can reverse it by moving a little
>> lever?
>> I've used
>> them but I don't know what they're called. Tnx.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in
>> between,
>> stay
>> up-to-date with the latest news.
>> (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:05:50 -0500
> From: Jack <k4wsb at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Slightly off topic N9FAA
> To: "D.G." <indianaj0nes at yahoo.com>,towertalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <0KEA00A7TCDRLUD3 at vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> OFF TOPIC! Uncalled for is more like it!
>
> At 02:32 AM 1/30/2009, D.G. wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am N9FAA. Please vote for me in a Hollywood contest.
>
> Jack Hartley
> K4WSB
> DXCC Honor Roll
> QCWA OTC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:53:42 -0800
> From: jimlux <jimlux at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Relay lightening protection
> To: donovanf at starpower.net
> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <49831476.5060904 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> This discussion of relay reliability and switching speed is
>> irrelevant for a relays in a phased array that should never be hot
>> switched.
>
> The reliability issues in the Tyco ap note aren't tied to whether the
> contacts are carrying current.
>
>
>>
>> The spike suppression components don't need to be outdoors, they can
>> be in the control box near the solid state devices being protected.
>>
>
> Indeed.
>
>
>> 73 Frank W3LPL
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:16:06 -0600
> From: Kipton Moravec <kip at kdream.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Relay lightening protection
> To: jimlux <jimlux at earthlink.net>, towertalk
> <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Cc: donovanf <donovanf at starpower.net>
> Message-ID: <1233328566.6367.34.camel at red.home>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 06:53 -0800, jimlux wrote:
>> donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> This discussion of relay reliability and switching speed is
>>> irrelevant for a relays in a phased array that should never be hot
>>> switched.
>>
>> The reliability issues in the Tyco ap note aren't tied to whether the
>> contacts are carrying current.
>>
>
> Carrying current IS the whole issue. If they were not carrying current
> then it does not matter how fast the contacts close or open.
>
> The goal of the applications note was to minimize the contact arcing,
> which increases contact life or reliability. It is described in the
> second paragraph of the second column of the first page.
>
> http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3311.pdf
>
> You do not have arcing if there is no current. So if there is no
> current
> then contact speed is not an issue.
>
>
> --
> Kipton Moravec AE5IB
> "Always do right; this will gratify some people and astonish the
> rest."
> --Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
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