[TowerTalk] moving tower
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Mon May 11 07:35:05 PDT 2009
Jim, I had this same tower a few years ago and had to take it down. Its
HEAVY for sure. I think the best bet is to see if you can get a car carrier
with a bed lift through the fence, maybe one more fence post would be able to
be taken out? Rollers of any kind in grass won't work, unless it was a
very hard surface, the rollers would be buried from the weight. You have an
advantage with the fold over, you could fold over to a height just enough so
car carrier bed can back right underneath it at the proper angle and have
the winch on the car carrier pull it up onto the bed, a few rollers and off
you go. Wish you luck.
ND1X
John
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1. Re: Rotor for Long Cable Run (Peter Voelpel)
2. HDX 572MDPL (James Nail)
3. Re: Rotor for Long Cable Run (n8cc at mei.net)
4. Still have extra room at the Doubletree Dayton- spoke too
soon. (Kimo Chun)
5. Re: HDX 572MDPL (james.nail at att.net)
6. Re: US Tower (Anthony W. DePrato)
7. Re: Rotor for Long Cable Run (jimlux)
8. Re: US Tower (Blake Bowers)
9. Re: HDX 572MDPL (Larry)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:29:24 +0200
From: "Peter Voelpel" <df3kv at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
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Why?
Please explain.
My PST2051 rotators all run through CAT5 computer cables.
73
Peter
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[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 01:17
To: 'Tower Talk List'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
I would think the opposite would be true, you could use fairly thin gauge
wire if it were and AC Motor.
Mike
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[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:10 PM
To: 'Tower Talk List'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
Hi Jim,
You could probably use any rotator with DC motor.
I use a Prosistel PST2051 with a 600 ft. cable run.
The connection to the transformer in the control box just needs to get
rerouted to a higher voltage tab.
73
Peter
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 22:03
To: Tower Talk List
Subject: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
I'm planning the install for a 3-el SteppIR (w/6M element) that requires a
cable run of about 400 ft. (no 30M/40M elements -- I've already got dipoles
at 100 ft).
I'll be doing a lot of contesting, so I don't want it to be TOO slow.
Considering the cost of copper, I can spend a few more bucks on the rotor
if
it's more tolerant of copper loss. I would prefer not to go to the trouble
of remote relays if I can avoid it.
Other considerations: This is going to be on a tall tower and I'm well
past
my climbing days, so paying more for reliability is a no- brainer. The
tower
and the antenna will be sheltered from the wind in a dense grove of
redwoods, and top winds outside the grove are about
85 mph. Computer control is not important for me.
The cost of copper is going to be quite significant. The questions are,
1) how much (that is, how big) copper do I really heed, and
2) Which rotor should I use?
Thoughts?
73,
Jim K9YC
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 05:35:40 -0400
From: "James Nail" <james.nail at att.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
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Hi,
I'm planning to take down and transport this tower (about 2000 lbs) about
14
miles to its new home in suburban Atlanta. Once the tower is unbolted from
its current base, does anyone have any recommendations for moving (about
75
feet - over or through a chain link fence gate) and transporting this
tower?
Thanks
Jim WA2MBP
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: n8cc at mei.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
To: towertalk at contesting.com
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Jim,
I currently have four Alfa Spids in use here. The shortest cable
run is 400 feet, the longest almost 600 feet. Four wire control
helps cut rotor cable costs.
I?ve never had issues with the pulse feedback system at those
distances. As far as reliability, I took a lightning strike a
few years ago that blew the pothead right off one of the rotors.
I glued it back together with JB Weld and it is Still in service.
I?ve found the DC motors retain most of their torque over a
wide range of voltages. Three of the four rotors successfully
turn side-mounted stacks on swinging gates, unbalanced loads
that would be a tough test for any rotor.
When I got my first Alfa Spid, computer control was not a priority
for me either. Now I wouldn't be without it.
73, Jeff ? N8CC
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:23:16 -1000
From: "Kimo Chun" <kimo at lava.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Still have extra room at the Doubletree Dayton-
spoke too soon.
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>, <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
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Okay, sorry for the off topic, again. The two fellows in line both bailed
on the room. It is still available.
Doubletree Dayton - 2 blocks from the Crowne Plaza.
1 room, 2 beds. Currently for Wed through Sunday nights. Can be changed.
Need to know by Monday or we give it back to the hotel.
Send me an email. kimo at lava.net or kh7u at arrl.net
Kimo KH7U
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:50:41 +0000
From: james.nail at att.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
To: "Julio Peralta" <jperalta4 at verizon.net>, towertalk at contesting.com
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Hi Julio and all! Well the widow doesn't remember much! She thinks a fork
lift was involved. I'm reading all the comments now! I can't get to the
base of the tower with a truck. It does have the fold over attachment attached
and ready for action. I was thinking of putting some kind of lift (back
hoe or fork) on the motor end and a heavy duty dolly on the other end and
pulling it the 75 feet or so through the gate (may have to take down one post
- widow does recall a post having to come down to get it through the gate).
Then with the truck at a lower grade and the ramp somewhat flat, push the
dolly using the fork over the ramp. Comments? Jim
------Original Message------
From: Julio Peralta
To: 'James Nail'
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
Sent: May 11, 2009 7:18 AM
I'm not trying to be a smart ass here but how did you get it to where it is
presently, is that method not available to you at this point in time?
Assuming you can't get an auto wrecker or a rough terrain folk lift in the
area the only way I know would be to use some 6" or larger pipe cut into
pieces, maybe 6 of them, that will fit though the gate opening. Lay them on
the ground every couple of feet grease them up and slide or roll the tower
on the pipe pulling the ones at the back out ad placing them in the
direction of travel until you reach where you want to be.
Julio, W4HY
-----Original Message-----
From: James Nail [mailto:james.nail at att.net]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:36 AM
To: TowerTalk at contesting.com; 'secc'
Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
Hi,
I'm planning to take down and transport this tower (about 2000 lbs) about
14
miles to its new home in suburban Atlanta. Once the tower is unbolted from
its current base, does anyone have any recommendations for moving (about 75
feet - over or through a chain link fence gate) and transporting this
tower?
Thanks
Jim WA2MBP
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:50:21 -0400
From: "Anthony W. DePrato" <wa4jqs at mikrotec.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower
To: Alan NV8A <nv8a at att.net>
Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
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At 11:20 PM 5/10/2009, jd_hudson at comcast.net wrote:
>I called US Tower after buying a "older" TX-455 and US Tower would
>not even tell me the lengths of the cable..
I have a CZ-455HD-FS one of the old tristoe towers.. US bought them
out and their TX-455 is the same except mine was a Heavy Duty
version. wanted to replace the cable about 15 yrs ago.. this of
course was before all the lib crap. they sold me the cable ready to
go.. i drew out the cable routing before i took out the old cable. I
also tied a small rope to the old cable that i pulled thru as the old
cable came out. then used that to pull the new cable in place. note
of interest at one time they would tell you how to route the cable if
you wanted to sections to go up one at a time or both to rise at the
same time. sad to say NO MORE. It is a shame that what use to be a
very good company has became what it is today. Why not just have you
sign a release and fax back before telling you anything if they are
that worried.
73 Tony
QBE ZUT DE WA4JQS
ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
Since 1962
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700
From: jimlux <jimlux at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
To: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Cc: "TOWERTALK at contesting.com" <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 20:18:48 -0400, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>
>> I would be more concerned about whether the SteppIR will work properly
>> with that long of a run.
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks. I'm concerned too. FWIW, I am disgusted with the mfrs of all of
these
> products, including SteppIR, for not publishing specifications for what
is
> essentially a simple Ohm's law problem that all of their customers need
to
> solve when doing due diligence. It is a very simple matter to specify
the
> currents involved, the output of the controller, any adjustment that is
built
> into the controller, and the IR drop that can be tolerated. Starting
current?
> Fine. Specify it.
>
> I'm told that SteppIR cable is paired, but there's no indication of
which
> conductors are pairs. In fact, if I wanted to order my own #18 rather
than use
> their #22, I wouldn't know that from reading their documentation. BTW --
if
> their cable is a foil shield with drain wire, that drain wire can couple
RF
> shield current onto the signal pair by a mechanism called Shield-Current-
> Induced Noise.
>
> Ohms Law still works. Give us the data on the product so we can use it!
>
that's the difference between amateur radio (essentially consumer) gear
and professional. Amateur gear makes the assumption that you're going
to plug and play, and not do any engineering.
Complicated by the plethora of products in the amateur market that are
essentially commercialized versions of something someone built from
parts they had laying around or were able to find cheap at a hamfest or
surplus. Again, not much engineering or analysis went into it, more of
a "try it and see if it works,ok, ship it"
Interesting indicator: very few things sold into the ham market have UL
listing.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:20:21 -0500
From: "Blake Bowers" <bbowers at mozarks.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower
To: <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
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Releases are worth the paper they are printed on, but
not much more. They have been shown to be easily
beat in court.
This is the same liability handed down, primarily by
insurance companies, that causes a ladder to be twice
the price than it should be, simply due to liability.
I don't think its US Towers fault, they have a very
liability prone product just due to its inherent nature,
and todays society ends up pushing them to be
very over protective.
Blame society, not US Tower.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony W. DePrato" <wa4jqs at mikrotec.com>
To: "Alan NV8A" <nv8a at att.net>
Cc: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower
> At 11:20 PM 5/10/2009, jd_hudson at comcast.net wrote:
>>I called US Tower after buying a "older" TX-455 and US Tower would
>>not even tell me the lengths of the cable..
>
> I have a CZ-455HD-FS one of the old tristoe towers.. US bought them
> out and their TX-455 is the same except mine was a Heavy Duty
> version. wanted to replace the cable about 15 yrs ago.. this of
> course was before all the lib crap. they sold me the cable ready to
> go.. i drew out the cable routing before i took out the old cable. I
> also tied a small rope to the old cable that i pulled thru as the old
> cable came out. then used that to pull the new cable in place. note
> of interest at one time they would tell you how to route the cable if
> you wanted to sections to go up one at a time or both to rise at the
> same time. sad to say NO MORE. It is a shame that what use to be a
> very good company has became what it is today. Why not just have you
> sign a release and fax back before telling you anything if they are
> that worried.
> 73 Tony
>
>
>
> QBE ZUT DE WA4JQS
>
> ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
> Since 1962
> CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
> DXCC HONOR ROLL - 340
> A1-OP FISTS # 10573 SKCC #1227 F.O.P. LODGE 68
> DXCC PHONE- DXCC CW- DXCC RTTY- DXCC MIXED-5BDXCC
> DXCC 80, 40, 20, 15, 10 METERS WAC SSB WAC CW WAC RTTY WAC SAT
> South Sandwich Island Dxpedition Group
> CALLS HELD:
> WA4JQS/ZS1, WA4JQS/KC4, WA4JQS/4K1
> ZD8JQS, V31SS, VP8BZL, VP8SSI, 3Y0PI
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:31:32 -0400
From: "Larry" <lknain at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
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A crane may be a good choice if you have the access. I had a 75 foot
crankup
tower at one point that needed to mount atop a big pipe-like structure. It
took a crane operator all of 30 minutes to get it up (mostly initial
positioning of the crane) and less to take it down. The crane had to sit
about 40 feet from tower erection site. At the time there was a minimum
two
hour charge for crane and operator. (In putting up the tower the crane
operator was off by less than 0.25 inch on the mounting hole alignment on
his first try at a little over 40 feet away.)
I was fortunate that most of the moving I did with tower was over concrete
and I used an engine hoist on casters to move it until the actual erection
which was done with a crane. Not a good solution over soft surfaces.
73, Larry W6NWS
----- Original Message -----
From: <james.nail at att.net>
To: "Julio Peralta" <jperalta4 at verizon.net>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
> Hi Julio and all! Well the widow doesn't remember much! She thinks a
fork
> lift was involved. I'm reading all the comments now! I can't get to the
> base of the tower with a truck. It does have the fold over attachment
> attached and ready for action. I was thinking of putting some kind of
lift
> (back hoe or fork) on the motor end and a heavy duty dolly on the other
> end and pulling it the 75 feet or so through the gate (may have to take
> down one post - widow does recall a post having to come down to get it
> through the gate). Then with the truck at a lower grade and the ramp
> somewhat flat, push the dolly using the fork over the ramp. Comments?
Jim
> ------Original Message------
> From: Julio Peralta
> To: 'James Nail'
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
> Sent: May 11, 2009 7:18 AM
>
> I'm not trying to be a smart ass here but how did you get it to where it
> is
> presently, is that method not available to you at this point in time?
>
> Assuming you can't get an auto wrecker or a rough terrain folk lift in
the
> area the only way I know would be to use some 6" or larger pipe cut into
> pieces, maybe 6 of them, that will fit though the gate opening. Lay them
> on
> the ground every couple of feet grease them up and slide or roll the
tower
> on the pipe pulling the ones at the back out ad placing them in the
> direction of travel until you reach where you want to be.
>
> Julio, W4HY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Nail [mailto:james.nail at att.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:36 AM
> To: TowerTalk at contesting.com; 'secc'
> Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm planning to take down and transport this tower (about 2000 lbs)
about
> 14
> miles to its new home in suburban Atlanta. Once the tower is unbolted
> from
> its current base, does anyone have any recommendations for moving (about
> 75
> feet - over or through a chain link fence gate) and transporting this
> tower?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim WA2MBP
>
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