[TowerTalk] moving tower

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Mon May 11 07:35:05 PDT 2009


Jim, I had this same tower a few years ago and had to take it down. Its  
HEAVY for sure. I think the best bet is to see if you can get a car carrier 
with  a bed lift through the fence, maybe one more fence post would be able to 
be  taken out?  Rollers of any kind in grass won't work, unless it was a 
very  hard surface, the rollers would be buried from the weight. You have an 
advantage  with the fold over, you could fold over to a height just enough so 
car carrier  bed can back right underneath it at the proper angle and have 
the winch on the  car carrier pull it up onto the bed, a few rollers and off 
you go. Wish you  luck. 
 
ND1X
John 
 
 

 
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Today's Topics:

1. Re:  Rotor for Long Cable Run (Peter Voelpel)
2. HDX 572MDPL (James  Nail)
3. Re: Rotor for Long Cable Run  (n8cc at mei.net)
4. Still have extra room at the Doubletree  Dayton- spoke    too
soon. (Kimo  Chun)
5. Re: HDX 572MDPL (james.nail at att.net)
6. Re: US Tower (Anthony W. DePrato)
7. Re: Rotor for Long  Cable Run (jimlux)
8. Re: US Tower (Blake  Bowers)
9. Re: HDX 572MDPL  (Larry)


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Message:  1
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:29:24 +0200
From: "Peter Voelpel"  <df3kv at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable  Run
To: "'Tower Talk List'" <towertalk at contesting.com>
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Why?

Please  explain.

My PST2051 rotators all run through CAT5 computer  cables.

73
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From:  towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]  On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 01:17
To: 'Tower Talk  List'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run

I would  think the opposite would be true, you could use fairly thin gauge
wire if  it were and AC Motor.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From:  towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]  On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:10 PM
To: 'Tower  Talk List'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run

Hi  Jim,

You could probably use any rotator with DC motor.
I use a  Prosistel PST2051 with a 600 ft. cable run.
The connection to the  transformer in the control box just needs to get
rerouted to a higher  voltage tab.

73
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From:  towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]  On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 22:03
To: Tower Talk  List
Subject: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run

I'm planning the  install for a 3-el SteppIR (w/6M element) that requires a
cable run of  about 400 ft. (no 30M/40M elements -- I've already got dipoles
at 100 ft).  

I'll be doing a lot of contesting, so I don't want it to be TOO  slow.  
Considering the cost of copper, I can spend a few more bucks  on the rotor 
if
it's more tolerant of copper loss. I would prefer not to go  to the trouble
of remote relays if I can avoid it. 

Other  considerations:  This is going to be on a tall tower and I'm well  
past
my climbing days, so paying more for reliability is a no- brainer. The  
tower
and the antenna will be sheltered from the wind in a dense grove  of
redwoods, and top winds outside the grove are about
85 mph. Computer  control is not important for me. 

The cost of copper is going to be  quite significant. The questions are, 

1) how much (that is, how big)  copper do I really heed, and 

2) Which rotor should I use?  

Thoughts?   

73,

Jim  K9YC


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Message:  2
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 05:35:40 -0400
From: "James Nail"  <james.nail at att.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
To:  <TowerTalk at contesting.com>,    "'secc'"  <secc at contesting.com>
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Hi,

I'm planning to  take down and transport this tower (about 2000 lbs) about 
14
miles to its  new home in suburban Atlanta.  Once the tower is unbolted from
its  current base, does anyone have any recommendations for moving (about  
75
feet - over or through a chain link fence gate) and transporting this  
tower?

Thanks

Jim  WA2MBP



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Message:  3
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From:  n8cc at mei.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable Run
To:  towertalk at contesting.com
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Jim,

I currently have four Alfa  Spids in use here.  The shortest cable
run is 400 feet, the longest  almost 600 feet. Four wire control
helps cut rotor cable costs.

I?ve  never had issues with the pulse feedback system at those
distances.   As far as reliability, I took a lightning strike a
few years ago that blew  the pothead right off one of the rotors.
I glued it back together with JB  Weld and it is Still in service.

I?ve found the DC motors retain most  of their torque over a
wide range of voltages.  Three of the four  rotors successfully
turn side-mounted stacks on swinging gates, unbalanced  loads
that would be a tough test for any rotor.

When I got my first  Alfa Spid, computer control was not a priority
for me either.  Now I  wouldn't be without it.

73,  Jeff ?  N8CC




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Message:  4
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:23:16 -1000
From: "Kimo Chun"  <kimo at lava.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Still have extra room at the  Doubletree Dayton-
spoke    too soon.
To:  <towertalk at contesting.com>,     <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
Message-ID:  <9FE943F8B7314849B7D3EED5C9F260F3 at TOSHIBAKimo>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Okay, sorry for the off  topic, again.  The two fellows in line both bailed
on the room. It is  still available.



Doubletree Dayton - 2 blocks from the Crowne  Plaza.

1 room, 2 beds. Currently for Wed through Sunday nights. Can be  changed.
Need to know by Monday or we give it back to the  hotel.



Send me an email. kimo at lava.net or  kh7u at arrl.net



Kimo  KH7U



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Message: 5
Date:  Mon, 11 May 2009 11:50:41 +0000
From: james.nail at att.net
Subject: Re:  [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
To: "Julio Peralta" <jperalta4 at verizon.net>,  towertalk at contesting.com
Message-ID:
<1733569134-1242042733-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-401972542- at b
xe1024.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

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Hi Julio and all! Well the widow  doesn't remember much! She thinks a fork 
lift was involved. I'm reading all  the comments now! I can't get to the 
base of the tower with a truck. It does  have the fold over attachment attached 
and ready for action. I was thinking of  putting some kind of lift (back 
hoe or fork) on the motor end and a heavy duty  dolly on the other end and 
pulling it the 75 feet or so through the gate (may  have to take down one post 
- widow does recall a post having to come down to  get it through the gate). 
 Then with the truck at a lower grade and the  ramp somewhat flat, push the 
dolly using the fork over the ramp.   Comments? Jim  
------Original Message------
From: Julio  Peralta
To: 'James Nail'
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
Sent:  May 11, 2009 7:18 AM

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here but how did  you get it to where it is
presently, is that method not available to you at  this point in time?

Assuming you can't get an auto wrecker or a rough  terrain folk lift in the
area the only way I know would be to use some 6"  or larger pipe cut into
pieces, maybe 6 of them, that will fit though the  gate opening. Lay them on
the ground every couple of feet grease them up  and slide or roll the tower
on the pipe pulling the ones at the back out ad  placing them in the
direction of travel until you reach where you want to  be. 

Julio, W4HY 

-----Original Message-----
From: James Nail  [mailto:james.nail at att.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:36 AM
To:  TowerTalk at contesting.com; 'secc'
Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX  572MDPL

Hi,

I'm planning to take down and transport this tower  (about 2000 lbs) about 
14
miles to its new home in suburban Atlanta.   Once the tower is unbolted from
its current base, does anyone have any  recommendations for moving (about 75
feet - over or through a chain link  fence gate) and transporting this 
tower?

Thanks

Jim  WA2MBP

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Message: 6
Date: Mon,  11 May 2009 08:50:21 -0400
From: "Anthony W. DePrato"  <wa4jqs at mikrotec.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower
To: Alan  NV8A <nv8a at att.net>
Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
Message-ID:  <20090511125020.CD7A51D81E6 at mailhost.mis.net>
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At 11:20 PM 5/10/2009,  jd_hudson at comcast.net wrote:
>I called US Tower after buying a "older"  TX-455 and US Tower would 
>not even tell me the lengths of the  cable..

I have a CZ-455HD-FS one of the old tristoe towers.. US bought  them 
out and their TX-455 is the same except mine was a Heavy Duty  
version. wanted to replace the cable about 15 yrs ago.. this of 
course  was before all the lib crap. they sold me the cable ready to 
go.. i drew  out the cable routing before i took out the old cable. I 
also tied a small  rope to the old cable that i pulled thru as the old 
cable came out. then  used that to pull the new cable in place. note 
of interest at one time  they would tell you how to route the cable if 
you wanted to sections to go  up one at a time or both to rise at the 
same time. sad to say NO MORE. It  is a shame that what use to be a 
very good company has became what it is  today. Why not just have you 
sign a release and fax back before telling  you anything if they are 
that worried.
73 Tony



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ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA -  HEAVY
Since 1962
CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
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Message:  7
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700
From: jimlux  <jimlux at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rotor for Long Cable  Run
To: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Cc:  "TOWERTALK at contesting.com" <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
Message-ID:  <4A082518.5050209 at earthlink.net>
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Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 10  May 2009 20:18:48 -0400, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
>> I would be  more concerned about whether the SteppIR will work properly 
>> with  that long of a run.
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thanks. I'm  concerned too. FWIW, I am disgusted with the mfrs of all of 
these 
>  products, including SteppIR, for not publishing specifications for what 
is  
> essentially a simple Ohm's law problem that all of their customers  need 
to 
> solve when doing due diligence. It is a very simple matter to  specify 
the 
> currents involved, the output of the controller, any  adjustment that is 
built 
> into the controller, and the IR drop that  can be tolerated. Starting 
current?  
> Fine. Specify it. 
>  
> I'm told that SteppIR cable is paired, but there's no indication of  
which 
> conductors are pairs. In fact, if I wanted to order my own #18  rather 
than use 
> their #22, I wouldn't know that from reading their  documentation. BTW -- 
if 
> their cable is a foil shield with drain  wire, that drain wire can couple 
RF 
> shield current onto the signal  pair by a mechanism called Shield-Current-
> Induced Noise. 
>  
> Ohms Law still works. Give us the data on the product so we can use  it!  
 
> 

that's the difference between amateur radio  (essentially consumer) gear 
and professional.  Amateur gear makes the  assumption that you're going 
to plug and play, and not do any  engineering.

Complicated by the plethora of products in the amateur  market that are 
essentially commercialized versions of something someone  built from 
parts they had laying around or were able to find cheap at a  hamfest or 
surplus. Again, not much engineering or analysis went  into  it, more of 
a "try it and see if it works,ok, ship  it"

Interesting indicator: very few things sold into the ham market  have UL 
listing.


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Message:  8
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:20:21 -0500
From: "Blake Bowers"  <bbowers at mozarks.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower
To:  <TOWERTALK at contesting.com>
Message-ID:  <7DE6D228DDF24CBF9389F4EF931B2886 at toshibauser>
Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Releases are worth the paper they are printed on,  but
not much more.  They have been shown to be easily
beat in  court.

This is the same liability handed down, primarily  by
insurance companies, that causes a ladder to be twice 
the price than  it should be, simply due to liability.

I don't think its US Towers  fault, they have a very
liability prone product just due to its inherent  nature,
and todays society ends up pushing them to be
very over  protective.

Blame society, not US Tower.

Don't take your organs  to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign  your donor card today. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony  W. DePrato" <wa4jqs at mikrotec.com>
To: "Alan NV8A"  <nv8a at att.net>
Cc: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday,  May 11, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] US Tower


> At  11:20 PM 5/10/2009, jd_hudson at comcast.net wrote:
>>I called US Tower  after buying a "older" TX-455 and US Tower would 
>>not even tell me  the lengths of the cable..
> 
> I have a CZ-455HD-FS one of the  old tristoe towers.. US bought them 
> out and their TX-455 is the same  except mine was a Heavy Duty 
> version. wanted to replace the cable  about 15 yrs ago.. this of 
> course was before all the lib crap. they  sold me the cable ready to 
> go.. i drew out the cable routing before i  took out the old cable. I 
> also tied a small rope to the old cable  that i pulled thru as the old 
> cable came out. then used that to pull  the new cable in place. note 
> of interest at one time they would tell  you how to route the cable if 
> you wanted to sections to go up one at  a time or both to rise at the 
> same time. sad to say NO MORE. It is a  shame that what use to be a 
> very good company has became what it is  today. Why not just have you 
> sign a release and fax back before  telling you anything if they are 
> that worried.
> 73  Tony
> 
> 
> 
> QBE  ZUT  DE WA4JQS
>  
> ANTHONY W. (Tony) DePrato WA4JQS EXTRA - HEAVY
> Since  1962
> CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
> DXCC HONOR ROLL - 340
>  A1-OP      FISTS  # 10573   SKCC #1227   F.O.P. LODGE 68
> DXCC PHONE- DXCC CW- DXCC RTTY- DXCC  MIXED-5BDXCC
> DXCC  80, 40, 20, 15, 10 METERS WAC SSB WAC CW WAC  RTTY WAC SAT
> South Sandwich Island Dxpedition Group
> CALLS  HELD:
> WA4JQS/ZS1, WA4JQS/KC4, WA4JQS/4K1
> ZD8JQS, V31SS,  VP8BZL, VP8SSI, 3Y0PI
> 
> 
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Message:  9
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:31:32 -0400
From: "Larry"  <lknain at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
To:  <towertalk at contesting.com>
Message-ID:  <A3C39751109E465BB1A055764ECCB586 at LEKVENTURE>
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A crane may be a good choice if you have the  access. I had a 75 foot 
crankup 
tower at one point that needed to mount  atop a big pipe-like structure. It 
took a crane operator all of 30 minutes  to get it up (mostly initial 
positioning of the crane) and less to take it  down. The crane had to sit 
about 40 feet from tower erection site. At the  time there was a minimum 
two 
hour charge for crane and operator. (In  putting up the tower the crane 
operator was off by less than 0.25 inch on  the mounting hole alignment on 
his first try at a little over 40 feet  away.)

I was fortunate that most of the moving I did with tower was  over concrete 
and I used an engine hoist on casters to move it until the  actual erection 
which was done with a crane. Not a good solution over soft  surfaces.

73, Larry  W6NWS
----- Original Message -----  
From: <james.nail at att.net>
To: "Julio Peralta"  <jperalta4 at verizon.net>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent:  Monday, May 11, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HDX  572MDPL


> Hi Julio and all! Well the widow doesn't remember  much! She thinks a 
fork 
> lift was involved. I'm reading all the  comments now! I can't get to the 
> base of the tower with a truck. It  does have the fold over attachment 
> attached and ready for action. I  was thinking of putting some kind of 
lift 
> (back hoe or fork) on the  motor end and a heavy duty dolly on the other 
> end and pulling it the  75 feet or so through the gate (may have to take 
> down one post -  widow does recall a post having to come down to get it 
> through the  gate).  Then with the truck at a lower grade and the ramp 
>  somewhat flat, push the dolly using the fork over the ramp.  Comments?  
Jim
> ------Original Message------
> From: Julio Peralta
>  To: 'James Nail'
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
> Sent:  May 11, 2009 7:18 AM
>
> I'm not trying to be a smart ass here but  how did you get it to where it 
> is
> presently, is that method  not available to you at this point in time?
>
> Assuming you can't  get an auto wrecker or a rough terrain folk lift in 
the
> area the only  way I know would be to use some 6" or larger pipe cut into
> pieces,  maybe 6 of them, that will fit though the gate opening. Lay them 
>  on
> the ground every couple of feet grease them up and slide or roll  the 
tower
> on the pipe pulling the ones at the back out ad placing them  in the
> direction of travel until you reach where you want to  be.
>
> Julio, W4HY
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: James Nail [mailto:james.nail at att.net]
>  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:36 AM
> To: TowerTalk at contesting.com;  'secc'
> Subject: [TowerTalk] HDX 572MDPL
>
>  Hi,
>
> I'm planning to take down and transport this tower (about  2000 lbs) 
about 
> 14
> miles to its new home in suburban  Atlanta.  Once the tower is unbolted 
> from
> its current  base, does anyone have any recommendations for moving (about 
>  75
> feet - over or through a chain link fence gate) and transporting  this 
> tower?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim  WA2MBP
>
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