[TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at an

[K1TTT]

Yeah, but have you ever had to sit through the office chair and desk safety
videos?  Its even more fun afterwards when you try to convince your boss
that he has to buy you this 20 way adjustable chair and a special adjustable
desk for keyboards and monitors!


David Robbins K1TTT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Banks [mailto:larryb.w1dyj at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 15:13
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at an
> 
> I am involved in Corporate Training at both Hewlett-Packard, it's offshoot
> Agilent Technologies, and now it's offshoot Avago Technologies.  Anyone
> who
> has a job that requires ladder usage takes mandatory ladder training.  I
> took it just because I was curious.  It was  (and remains) one of the most
> useful courses I ever took.
> 
> On the other hand, I worked my way through college as a maintenance
> electrician in a steel mill and spent a lot of time on ladders.  No
> training
> was given -- although this was the late '60s.
> 
> ANYONE who uses a ladder should Google "Ladder Safety Videos" and view
> some.
> One I just reviewed that is reasonable:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlh3evxXU4s
> 
> 73 -- Larry -- W1DYJ
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jimlux" <jimlux at earthlink.net>
> To: <richard at karlquist.com>
> Cc: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom at telus.net>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at an
> 
> 
> > Rick Karlquist wrote:
> >> Question for you experts:  if it is forbidden to free climb
> >> a tower, why is it OK to free climb a ladder?  Not trying
> >> to argue, just curious.  I never climb towers, but often
> >> climb ladders.  I keep asking myself why I should feel
> >> so safe on a ladder.  (It is somewhat easier to fall
> >> off a tower, admittedly).
> >>
> >
> > Tradition often has a lot to do with rulemaking. As does the number of
> > people doing the activity.  Lots of ladders, few towers.
> >
> >  Think of this.. if you were to propose a new kind of power source for
> > motor vehicles, and you said you were going to have thousands of
> > essentially unattended power transfer stations where millions of
> > essentially untrained people (some impaired by
> > drugs/alcohol/tiredness/plain old idiocy) would pump 15 gallons of an
> > extremely flammable fuel containing several potent toxins and
> > carcinogens. And the transfer mechanism is little different than a
> > garden hose with a hand nozzle.  And you'd be able to pump that stuff
> > into a plastic bucket, if you liked.
> >
> > Yeah, sure, you'd be laughed out of whatever venue you're proposing it
> in.
> >
> >
> > Last year, at work, there was a big ladder safety training initiative.
> > (this is characteristically NASA.. turns out that ladder related
> > accidents are pretty high up on the list of causes, as in #1, I think.
> > So, we have procedures, training, haven't had ladder certification
> > requirements yet, but I'm sure it's coming.
> >
> > here's the ladder procedural requirement from Ames Research Center
> > http://server-
> mpo.arc.nasa.gov/Services/CDMSDocs/Centers/arc/Dirs/APR/APR1700.1C47.html
> >
> > It varies among centers somewhat.. Ames says don't use the top 3 steps,
> > KSC says just the top 2 are verboten.  Maybe Floridians, being used to
> > hurricanes and danger in general are more risk tolerant?   Maybe Ames is
> > covering their bets on a seismic event during ladder use?  I guarantee
> > that many work-hours have been expended on generating and promulgating
> > these procedures.
> >
> > And, lest someone gripe about the procedure-happiness of NASA, it's a
> > common feature of large organizations:
> > 1) something goes wrong while doing an activity
> > 2) someone important says "something must be done" (Congress does this a
> > lot)
> > 3) A rational examination says that "not doing the activity" isn't
> > feasible, so it becomes, "what can we do that will make it safer OR at
> > the very least, address item #2"
> > 4) Further examination shows that event #1 was just bad luck, and
> > there's no reasonable modification of procedures that would change
> things
> > 5) So, the decision is made to just "document what we do, and, if
> > possible find someone else's recommendations to add"
> > 6) some poor schlub gets the job of writing it up.
> >
> > #6, unfortunately, is sometimes a mechanism for giving someone a job who
> > would be dangerous performing the activity being proceduralized. Maybe
> > they're the person who actually was responsible for #1.
> >
> > 3)
> >
> >
> > But, realistically, there are stacks of OSHA rules about ladder usage
> too.
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