Mike, That's turning on the key switch with the up/dpwn switch in the neutral position? Can you receive a fax? I can send you a schematic. You might have a shorted up.sown switch or the cable to the limit switch, Skip, KJ6Y _Communications Service Co_ (http://www.communicationsserviceco.com/) 22712 Califa St Woodland Hills, CA 91367 818-887-3569