[TowerTalk] Tower Permitting

Sat Sep 25 12:28:33 PDT 2010

Where they cannot ban them outright they will just make sure any new
development has CC&Rs.Yes, even in rural or unincorporated areas.

That's how it's done these days.

I like to call it the outsourcing of Government.

Ryan, N2RJ

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Mickey Baker <fishflorida at gmail.com> wrote:
> I certainly understand Wilson's inferred complaint that government isn't
> responsive to the wishes of the people. If we look at the election results
> over the past few years, and how the incumbent candidates/parties have
> suffered defeat after defeat, it would seem that "reform is at hand."
> However, the same special interest groups donate huge amounts of cash to
> PAC's, the candidates' campaigns and the political parties. Their money
> drives TV ads, direct mailings (I'm getting 3 or 4 pieces every day now) and
> telephone banks, and it is the rare election where the candidate that spends
> the most money doesn't win.
>
> IMO, none of this will come to pass until we have campaign financing reforms
> and term limits. The political machines have shown, time after time, that
> they're not willing to make these serious changes - they are the people in
> power and they like it that way!
>
> Be thankful we have some limited pre-emption of the ability of local
> government to totally ban amateur radio towers, or that would be the state
> of things except in rural America.
>
> Time will tell whether or not this is the case in Fort Lauderdale, FL.
>
> 73,
>
> Mickey N4MB
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Richard Solomon <w1ksz at q.com> wrote:
>
>> And here, all these years, I thought most of those regulations came
>> about as the result of someone trying to cut corners and produce an
>> inferior product.
>> "One-Nail Noonan" always comes to mind. Does anyone remember the
>> Vandenberg Shuttle Facility debacle ??
>>
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:01 AM
>> To: Wilson Lamb
>> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Permitting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Guess you skipped your high school civics and economics classes.
>>
>> Sorry to have to tell you this, but virtually all of those regulations
>> and codes you mention in your tirade were not the direct result of any
>> elected politician.  They instead originate from mostly independent
>> entities, many of them commercial, whose job it is to come up with rules
>> and guidelines to minimize liability issues and insurance exposure.
>> Cities are chartered to protect their citizens and if they do that
>> poorly or negligently they can be held accountable in court.  Insurance
>> companies don't want people building unsafe or unreliable homes because
>> they don't want to be paying out unnecessary claims.
>>
>> Do all of those restrictions make sense?  Probably not ... private
>> bureaucracies are just as onerous (well, almost) as government
>> bureaucracies ... but I'll bet knowledgeable people could link every one
>> of those restrictions ultimately to either a perceived liability or cost
>> issue.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2010 7:57 AM, Wilson Lamb wrote:
>> > We need to direct our energy to electing and leaning on politicians
>> instead
>> > of talking abut how hard it is to get permits.  As long as we elect
>> people
>> > who are dedicated to meddling in our lives, we will have these problems,
>> and
>> > many others!
>> >
>> > When I built my house, for me to live in, I was told how many electrical
>> > outlets I had to have and how they had to be spaced along the wall!  I
>> was
>> > also told how much Romex had to be left hanging out of the boxes before
>> the
>> > receptacles were installed!  Of course there were MANY similar
>> requirements.
>> >
>> > If your tower cannot fall on anyone else's property or on a power line,
>> it
>> > should not be abyone else's concern!  If everyone keeps rolling over for
>> > these people, we will eventually be paralyzed completely.
>> >
>> > As long as there are hundreds of people hired to write codes, they will
>> > continue to make them more restrictive.  What else can they do to justify
>> > their existence?  And as long as the codes are there, thousands more
>> people
>> > will be hired to enforce them and those people will bother us.  What else
>> > can they do to justify their salaries?
>> >
>> > We need a basic safety code, because many do it yourselfers are clueless
>> and
>> > many contractors are without conscience, but it should be basic and no
>> more.
>> >
>> > And don't depend on codes, even though they are now many hundreds of
>> pages
>> > long, so long that there are architects who do little but consult on
>> meeting
>> > them.  Look what they get us...poison drywall and my friends furnace
>> vented
>> > into his ducts and his family's fingernails all turned blue from carbon
>> > monoxide!
>> >
>> > OK, my rant is finished, although much abbreviated.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Wilson
>> > W4BOH
>> >
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