[TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government

Sun Sep 1 09:35:21 EDT 2013

I don't have a law degree and stayed in the wrong motel as well but it sure 
looks like the cited case and decision is germane to the posters problem.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Grant.  I was unaware of this 
organization but will be checking them out.

I had a dear friend (WW II B-17 tail gunner, Fireman, PI, Ham, computer 
hobbyist, Radio Relay service provider) who sued the US Gov in the form of 
the BLM.  Johnny come lately BLM personnel reinterpreted my friend's 
contract after decades of use. The suit dragged on for 7 years and was 
finally settled after my friend tracked down the retired Government worker 
who had negotiated the contract originally. (The Gov guy was in his 90's in 
a Florida assisted care facility) Armed with a sworn affidavit attesting to 
the Government's intent when making the contract my friend prevailed and was 
an instant double digit millionaire.

Hopefully our member's situation can be salvaged by the precedent cited and 
or some help from the PLF.  This sort of nonsense is a major contributor to 
my decision to sell my postage stamp in San Diego and buy 160 acre cattle 
ranch in a rural area where there are no permits required except for the 
septic system and for connecting a driveway to the highway both of which are 
not much hassle.  So long as any tower can't fall on a neighbor's property 
or I don't radiate too much energy into a neighbor's property and I don't 
get cross threaded with the FAA over tower heights I can do as I please. 
Nearest neighbor's houses are over a quarter mile away.

Thanks again, Grant.

Patrick AF5CK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Grant Saviers
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:48 PM
To: Dan Schaaf
Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government

Dan,

The Supremes recently ruled on a similar case, see
http://www.pacificlegal.org/releases/PLF-statement-on-Koontz-property-rights-victory-at-the-Supreme-Court

You might take a copy of the decision to USWFS and also contact PLF for
assistance.

btw PLF is worth supporting IMHO.

Grant KZ1W

On 8/31/2013 4:09 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
> I am presently in discussion ( argument ) with US Fish and Wildlife over 
> property that I own that I want to build a retirement home on.  They 
> dispute an Environmental Survey that I paid to have done. The survey says 
> that there are no FL Scrub Jays within 850 ft around my property.  These 
> birds are declining in population. The USFWS claims that there were 
> sightings as recently as 2007 near the edge of my 850 buffer circle. The 
> birds live on average 12 years. Sightings are generally adult birds which 
> if you do the math, by now, 2013 , they likely dead or re-nested 
> elsewhere. And these are just sightings, not nests. The birds fly from the 
> nest and back to it. They are very territorial.
>
> Nevertheless, USFWS refuses to even consider new updated data from 
> surveys. Seems to me that new data should have more value to them than old 
> data. They agree until you try to then pin them down on releasing your 
> property. Then they come up with some other excuses such as " we really do 
> not want any surveys done in that particular neighborhood".  Or, "we 
> welcome new data but we do not necessarily use it".
>
> Now, that statement smacks of government control on where you buy or sell 
> property or where you choose to live.  And certainly impacts the 
> livelihood of those who do environmental surveys. And of course old data 
> means they do not have to lift a finger to do any work, just stay employed 
> until retirement doing nothing.  They do not even suggest doing a second 
> survey to validate the first survey and they will not come to the parcel 
> and check for themselves.
>
> But, there is a solution. It is called Mitigation Fee. You pay them 
> $18,000 per 1/4 acre to free up your land. They then are supposed to use 
> that money to develop other areas for the birds to flourish.  But, they do 
> not move the nests from your land !!! They let the bulldozers kill off the 
> birds that you just paid to save !
>
> I have 3/4 acre parcel and that equates to $54K mitigation fee which I 
> refuse to pay nor do I have in my bank. Nice chunk of land for towers and 
> verticals.
>
> Can my congressman help? They have indicated that they would work on it if 
> I ask them to do so. But I worry that if they fail, then my name becomes 
> Mudd at the FWS and I end up stuck with a piece of land that I pay taxes 
> on and cannot use and likely cannot sell.
>
> Anyone here have friends in high places ? HiHi This is legal extortion.
>
> Best Regards
> Dan Schaaf
> =================================
> K3ZXL www.k3zxl.com
> 60 Meters www.60metersonline.net
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>
> -----Original Message----- From: Roger (K8RI) on TT
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:36 AM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government
>
> On 8/31/2013 6:22 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
>> Substantive BS !
>
> Sure beats the form letters I get from my senator (At least he's not
> going to run again..he says.) that could be applied to anything that
> says only, I'll keep your views in mind without referring to any thing.
> Some one apparently wrote this one.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dan Schaaf
>> =================================
>> K3ZXL www.k3zxl.com
>> 60 Meters www.60metersonline.net
>> =================================
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Pete Smith N4ZR Sent: Saturday, August 
>> 31, 2013 5:57 AM To: towertalk at contesting.com Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 
>> Towable towers available from the government
>> Heck, that's a lot more substantive than the sort of BS I get when I 
>> write my Congressperson.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>
>> On 8/30/2013 6:29 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
>>> ...and here's the *answer* that I received, today:
>>>
>>> August 30, 2013
>>>
>>> Thank you for letting me know of your concerns regarding the way in 
>>> which the Department of Defense (DOD) disposes of certain surplus assets 
>>> by auctioning them to the public. As the Chairman of the Appropriations 
>>> Subcommittee on National Defense, you can be sure that I share your 
>>> interest in this regard and appreciate knowing your thoughts.
>>>
>>> The Defense Logistics Agency(DLA)Dispositions Services is charged with 
>>> disposing ofthe U.S. military'sexcess property. According to the DOD, 
>>> the excess property "is first offered for reutilization within the 
>>> Department of Defense , transfer to other federal agencies, or donation 
>>> to state and local governments andother qualified organizations." In 
>>> 2008, $2.2 billion worth of property was reutilized.DLA Disposition 
>>> Services maintains a Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO)to coordinate 
>>> transfers to state, local, and federal; more than 11,500 agencies in all 
>>> 50 states participate in this program. In 2011, over $500 million worth 
>>> of equipment was transferred to law enforcement agencies. Property that 
>>> has not been transferred or donated can be made available for purchase 
>>> by the public. Of course, assets with military characteristics must be 
>>> demilitarized prior to being made available to the public.
>>>
>>> In an effort to be of all possible assistance to you, I have taken the 
>>> liberty of contacting Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, to share with 
>>> him your thoughts. The Secretary has assured me that your views will be 
>>> given serious consideration. This is a matter under careful scrutiny by 
>>> the Congress and you can be sure that I will continue to monitor any new 
>>> developments that occur.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding this matter 
>>> of mutual concern. It is my hope that you will continue to keep me 
>>> apprised of your interest in legislative issues important to you.
>>>
>>> With best wishes and personal regards, I am
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Young
>>> Member of Congress
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/14/2013 7:24 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
>>>> I saw this ad, earlier this month.
>>>>
>>>> I sent a letter to my Congressman asking how it was this didn't somehow 
>>>> qualify as waste, fraud or abuse of our wallets?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon Pearl - W4ABC
>>>> www.w4abc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/14/2013 6:50 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
>>>>> Careful - this appears to be 198,000 pounds of scrap, now selling at 
>>>>> $45
>>>>> per pound, about $9M dollars, probably close to what the government 
>>>>> paid
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like a better deal... but that's the way I read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mickey N4MB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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