[TowerTalk] Challenging Grounding/Bonding Situation ?

[Gary Schafer]

Ranges and dryers of yesteryear had only 3 wires, 2 hot and neutral/ground.
They had to be on a dedicated circuit so as to not energize some other
appliance on the same feed if there was an open neutral.

Now days these appliances all require 4 wires. Old ones are still
grandfathered as far as I know.

But the discussion was about the main feed to the breaker panel.

73
Gary  K4FMX

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> Roger (K8RI) on TT
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Challenging Grounding/Bonding Situation ?
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> On 9/12/2014 9:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> 
> Aren't there are a number of old commercial rigs that violate this in
> the PS.
> I think our old kitchen range violated it as well, as IIRC I had to
> change the wiring when we put in a new cook top.
> 
> 73
> 
> Roger (K8RI)
> 
> > On Fri,9/12/2014 6:00 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> >> Imagine something like a washing machine where the neutral is
> >> connected to the frame and down the line the neutral opens up. Now
> the
> >> frame has the full "hot" voltage on it. The next person to do a load
> >> will be lucky if they live.
> >
> > But that's a false argument, Bill, because, as you noted, it is
> > illegal to use the green wire to carry load current, and it's illegal
> > to connect neutral to ground at any point but the service entrance.
> > And also because all wiring within my buildings, and in the similar
> > system I described to Shawn, DOES include both neutral and ground
> > conductors. I've been through that in both of my buildings, making
> > sure that there are no such improperly connected loads.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
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