[TowerTalk] Force 12 loading coils

[Roger (K8RI) on TT]

 From my experience and memory:
   I wouldn't say Cool Amp plating is for the birds, but it is a "flash 
plating", only a few molecules thick.  In a power amp, it provides 
better connections, but is pretty much an appearance enhancement.  
Electroplating for appearance, a few thousandths of an inch thick 
provides a much better appearance (shiny) and provides a much better 
skin depth resistance while the oxide is conductive. 1/4", to 3/8ths in 
Copper rod would be expensive, but much more rigid than tubing, but on 
longer coils it will sag and continue to sag over time.  It's less 
available than refrigeration tubing which is soft and easy to bend.  
Copper rod will not be as soft and will tend to spring out to a larger 
diameter coil after the tension is released. A metallurgist, or 
mechanical engineer could give better figures than I.
Soft Copper Tubing can be work hardened, but it's difficult for an 
individual to uniformly work harden a length of tubing as well as 
keeping the result straight.  Then form a coil to a specific diameter 
and pitch.

As for Cool Amp, we used a lot in Industry, but with the knowledge that 
it was a "flash plating"  We also used a smooth silver electroplating 
using Silver Cyanide solutions as well as the rough plating from using 
Silver Nitrate.

It's been a long time, but I remember to keep the two solutions apart, 
well labeled, and contained so they may not be mixed by accident.  
Mixing the two can produce a substantial amount of Cyanide gas.

73

Roger (K8RI)


On 1/5/2016 Tuesday 6:00 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:24:25 +0100
> From: "Peter Voelpel" <dj7ww at t-online.de>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 loading coils
>
> With wider turn spacings, capacity between turns is lower and coil Q higher.
>
> Centre loading is more efficient then base loading on shortened antennas.
>
>
> Silver plating of coils with cool-amp is for the birds.
>
> 73
> Peter
>
> ##  With wider turns spacing, UH  drops like a rock.   Then you have to add a helluva lot
> more turns to get the UH  back to where it was originally.   Then you just added
> additional total capacitance, so you end up back to square one.  Also, the coil assy
> will end up being a LOT longer..( like almost double).....1st from the 50% increased turns spacing, then again
> from the additional wide spaced turns required  to get the uh back up to normal.   The only way
> around that dilema is to increase the OD of the coil assy, which then makes for a huge coil.
> Look at the latest version coils used by F12 for their retrofit kits, they are massive with their
> 3/8 inch spacing between the  1/4 inch al tubing.     Then to top it off, they still did not make em big enough
> uh, hence the new tip dimensions are insane  vs oem.   60-70 inch long tips  made from 3/8 inch tubing is crazy.
> For fixed coils, the spacing between turns  should be equal to the tubing diameter.
>
> ##  The problem with center loading...half way out each ele,  is the UH has to be DOUBLE vs
> loading next to the boom.   The advantage of loading half way out is the Z is higher.
> A good compromise is to insert the loading coils   1/4  the way out on each side.
> F12  does this on their 340N  style eles... which vary from 52-59 ft in length.
> Optibeam does the same thing..as does Jk ants.   The problem with either a tornado drive, or
> relay switched  coils...half way out each ele half is.... you get  RF into the control  wiring which is
> a real pita to resolve.
>
> ##  On my 80m rotary dipole,  I wanted to be able to use it across the entire band. F12
> used these puny 12 gauge  THNN coils, wound butt tight, in air, 6 of them, 3 per leg,  +
> 3 x DPST  30A relays, to  switch the 8 segments.   The Seco tornado drive uses a
> pair of compressible  6-12 uh coils, made from  1/4 inch OD  plastic  coated Cu tubing, installed
> right at the feedpoint to allow for entire band coverage.   The LL wires  were replaced with 16 ft long
> capacity hats...aka.. T bars, to provide for the main loading.   The  6-12 uh coils,  provide the balance of the
> loading, and allow for 3200-4100 khz  operation.   I could have used large 30 uh coils, half way out each side, instead
> of the T bar scheme, but still would require the tornado drive to cover the entire band.  The tornado drive can be
> built with greater or less UH, but you still end up with a max to min ratio of  2:1.   To cover the entire 80m band,  I require
> a  6 uh spread.  Unlike a roller coil, that will  go down to zero uh, the compressible coil scheme has limitations, with its
> 2:1  max-min ratio.  I cant do a 0-6 uh spread on a tornado drive.  The smallest that will work is a 6-12 uh setup.
> Another scheme I was going to use was 8 x   SPDT vac relays and tubing coils at the feedpoint.
> But even that wont cover the entire band, just the cw and center phone band.  The ant is only 65 khz wide.
> Another scheme I cooked up was to use a motor driven vac cap at the feedpoint   to raise the resonant freq.   But the
> cap was large and heavy assy, so dropped the install of it.  In the end, the seco was used,  simple, and with 10 x pre-sets,
> plus manual tuning  between pre-sets, plus digital turns counter, its makes for easy qsy across the entire band.  1/4 inch OD
> Cu tubing is a lot better than 12 ga THNN wire  wound butt tight.
>
>
>
> ##  where I used 4 x SPDT vac relays  was at the feedpoint of the 40m yagi,  DE only. That provides for   4 x
> segments, which is ample..and overkill,  to ensure  flat swr across the entire  40m band.  Each coil is just 7 turns
> of 1 inch wide silver plated cu strap, with a 1.5 inch ID.  C between turns is nothing with strap coils, wound flat....
> like a 10m strap coil in a linear amp.   Like  2 x knife edges facing each other.  Very little spacing required between turns.
>
> ##  I silver plate all my  cu  tubing, strap, etc, simply  cuz I hate the look of bare copper...drives me nuts..esp inside a linear amp.
> I have loads of  cool-amp goop so no big deal to use it.   I have also used cool-amp  silver plating  on mech relay contacts..like the
> 30A P+B and deltrol  relays..makes a HUGE  difference.  F12  supplied deltrol 30A  DPST relays with its  40m switch box, and
> the damn contacts are high resistance, right out of the box..which makes for bad news on RX.   I have also used it on contactors,
> same deal.  We used it at work in the telco for cu buss bars..where they  bolt together..and that’s for –52 vdc  use.   Power
> companies uses it all the time on buss bar connections etc..and that’s at 60 hz.  Its also a good interface between  Cu and AL surfaces.
> Sure the coils  don’t require it, but Id at least use it at the extreme ends of the coils, where the connections are made.   Plan B
> would be to use  solid  AL tubing,and heliarc  weld the ends...like  JK ants does.
>
> later... Jim    VE7RF


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