[TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: PL259 Cobbectors Part 2 - Murray W9EHQ

Roger (K8RI) on TT K8RI-on-TowerTalk at tm.net
Sun May 15 11:05:56 EDT 2016


I would add this experience with Krylon:  C3i used to recommend 3 coats 
of clear Krylon (let dry between coats)  on the connections which I 
did.  Within a few years the connections (solder) was turning gray.  In 
5 or 6 years when I had to take all the antennas down for repair of the 
7L 6-meter Yagi for a broken truss and the TH5 boom for damage from the 
6-meter truss, I found the solder gone on the 144 and 440 antennas and 
in poor shape on the 6-meter antenna..

I don't know if the other colors are susceptible to the weather, or if 
they've changed formulas, but because of that experience I no longer use 
Krylon for any weatherproofing.

73

Roger (K8RI)


On 5/15/2016 Sunday 12:23 AM, Grant Saviers wrote:
> Here are the instructions from Andrew for Helix connector splices 
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/2004/Weatherproofing_Kit_for_Connectors_and_Antennas.pdf
>
> Similar to the well wire splice insulating technique.  The Andrew 
> butyl tape is a winner.  The kits are about $15 and good for about a 
> dozen 1/2 to 1/2"  connections.
>
> My tower installer used the Andrew kits and finished with a couple of 
> coats of Krylon exterior acrylic spray over the final vinyl tape wrap, 
> cheaper and easier than 3M Scotchcoat.
>
> Grant KZ1W
>
> On 5/14/2016 19:46 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Thanks for the info.  I have used the self sealing butt splices also. 
>> There are many different ways to weather proof
>> and in this case completely water proof our connectors.  We have 
>> touched on a couple.  Any other weather
>> proofing/sealing techniques out there ?   What say you ?
>>
>> Has anyone tried Plasti Dip ?  I have been curious if it would be 
>> another good outer coating on our outside
>> connectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K6UJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/16 4:53 PM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
>>> There are waterproof butt splices.  The insulation is shrink and 
>>> there is the heat flowing glue stuff like comes on te ID of some 
>>> heat shrink tubing.  Even if I get rambunctious with the crimper and 
>>> make little holes in the insulation they are sealed by the hot melt 
>>> glue and don't cause problems.  These are used in water wells on 240 
>>> volt wires to power submerged well pumps at the bottom of wells. I 
>>> suppose if you are really paranoid you could add your own 
>>> waterproofing on top of that which is built-in.
>>>
>>> These butt splices are widely available, even in stock at Harbor 
>>> Freight.
>>>
>>> Patrick        NJ5G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2016 6:32 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
>>>> Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> Good points !   Your system looks great.
>>>>
>>>> I was doing very similar for years.
>>>> I have added a final step for sealing the connection I would like 
>>>> to share.
>>>> Here in Napa Valley there are many wineries and many water wells. I 
>>>> was working on a project
>>>> for a winery which hired a well drilling and installation company 
>>>> to put in a new water well for irrigating
>>>> one of their vineyards.  I was very interested in how they sealed 
>>>> the electrical connections that were
>>>> down in the well under water.  They were making up a cable splice 
>>>> that day and I learned their process.
>>>> Their first step with Scotch 88 is not much different than what 
>>>> many of us do on our RF connection weather proofing.
>>>> First they stretch wrap with Scotch 88 electrical tape, then they 
>>>> stretch wrap with Scotch 130 rubber self bonding splicing
>>>> tape,  then one final stretch wrap with Scotch 88,  then finally 
>>>> they brush on two coats of ScotchKote 14853 electrical coating. 
>>>> After drying it is ready to go under water.
>>>> Granted this may be an overkill for our weather proofing needs, but 
>>>> I am anal about weather proofing outside RF connections and have 
>>>> been using this process myself, with 100% success. The ScotchKote 
>>>> is amazing stuff.
>>>>
>>>> The downsides:
>>>> * It is hard to split and cut open the weather proof coating later 
>>>> on. It can be done but not as easily as one coated with liquid 
>>>> electrical tape.
>>>> * ScotchKote is not cheap.  I only use it for this purpose so one 
>>>> can lasts me quite a while, but it is about $30.00
>>>> for one 15 oz can.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> K6UJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/16 12:40 PM, Kevin Stover wrote:
>>>>> I'm trying to understand why a soldered connector, assuming both 
>>>>> types are weatherproofed properly, is superior for corrosion 
>>>>> protection. Seems to me Sn/Pb solder will corrode just as fast or 
>>>>> faster than anything else in salt air.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say 90% of hams have no clue how to properly weatherproof a 
>>>>> connector. All you have to do is watch which end of the cable they 
>>>>> start wrapping stuff from to tell the connector is going to leak. 
>>>>> Such as starting the tape wrap at the connector and working down. 
>>>>> You've just created 6-8 seams for water to ingress. Start wrapping 
>>>>> the tape, 3M 33 or 88, not some cheap crap from Home Depot, down 
>>>>> on the coax and work up. Layers of tape laid like shingles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I weather "proof" my crimp connectors with glue impregnated heat 
>>>>> shrink, followed by 33/88, followed by coax seal followed by 
>>>>> rubber tape and a final layer of 33/88. All layers rolled half 
>>>>> tape width per course and bottom to top. It ain't pretty but I've 
>>>>> never seen a connector I did have a water problem, even 259's.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/13/2016 2:46 PM, Don W7WLL wrote:
>>>>>> I live on the coast, just a few hundred feet from the Pacific. 
>>>>>> Most wind is from the ocean onshore. The cable and sat installers 
>>>>>> here use crimped connectors, fast which counts for the 
>>>>>> installers. HOWEVER, later, they also spend a lot of time 
>>>>>> repairing lines and replacing connectors which corrode via the 
>>>>>> salt spray and air, specifically the work that is outdoors for 
>>>>>> periods of time. Varies of course depending upon the protection 
>>>>>> provided. Like Paul, every connector used outdoors at this house 
>>>>>> is 4 hole soldered for just the latter reason. And the coax cover 
>>>>>> is properly screwed into the connector. Where I use barrels to 
>>>>>> interconnect two cables they are covered with flooded heatshrink 
>>>>>> and the heatshink ends double sealed with an application of 3M 
>>>>>> liquid tape. I learned when I first moved here that while tape 
>>>>>> was great for keeping water out most of the time, when I did find 
>>>>>> dry connectors, they still were coated almost pure white with 
>>>>>> salt. So FAR DIFFERENT from when I lived inland in Portland. 
>>>>>> There what corrodes and rusts here in a couple of weeks would not 
>>>>>> reach that condx for years and years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crimping is great but one has to consider the environment when 
>>>>>> choosing, at least that is the case here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don W7WLL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Christensen
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:21 AM
>>>>>> To: towertalk at contesting.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] PL259 Cobbectors Part 2 - Murray W9EHQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'I'm perplexed, but not really surprised, that hams still insist 
>>>>>>> on using
>>>>>> this kind of backwoods engineering when a better way has been 
>>>>>> available for
>>>>>> decades. I guess old habits die hard."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean crimped connectors as a "better way," I agree when 
>>>>>> they're used
>>>>>> either indoors or when they're adequately weather shielded. 
>>>>>> Mechanically,
>>>>>> I've had more crimped connectors break and fail than soldered 
>>>>>> type when
>>>>>> high, accidental lateral force is exerted.  For indoor use, I 
>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>> use crimped type.  For outdoors, almost exclusively soldered type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul, W9AC
>>>>>>
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Roger (K8RI)


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