[TowerTalk] Fwd: Tower Permitting Spec's
grants2 at pacbell.net
Tue May 1 11:46:29 EDT 2018
The reference about power line cable oscillations is interesting, I
think more applicable to wire antennas rather than masts. I found this
thesis which delves into the issues for masts and how to use FEA tools
to analyze them (it's an MS level thesis so is at least superficially
readable by me w/o delving into the partial differential equations, etc.)
One observation I have is the TT discussion is conflating spoilers which
reduce the magnitude of the wind forces by spoiling the air flow with
dampers which absorb the energy of oscillations. From the thesis:
a. Spoilers: which tend to change fluid dynamic characteristics of
structures in such
a way as to interfere with and weaken the exciting force resulting from
shedding. Some examples for spoilers are helical strakes <the car
antenna spiral>, shrouds, slates, fairing,
splitter plate, and flags.
b. Dampers: which provide a mechanism for dissipation of energy and that
an increase in the structural damping of the mast and thus reducing the
of forced vibration resulting from vortex shedding and finally reducing the
possibility of structural damage or failure. Some examples for dampers
mass damper, tune liquid damper, impact damper <rope inside TH7DX elements>.
Some clever ME probably has one design to perform both functions.
On 5/1/2018 5:45 AM, jimlux wrote:
> On 5/1/18 12:31 AM, J Chaloupka via TowerTalk wrote:
>> Wondering, couldn't you wrap heavy gauge wire in a coarse spiral
>> around the mast, similar to the wire wrapped around the proverbial
>> automobile receiving antenna mast, in an attempt to dampen the
>> vibration? (Aluminum wire on an Aluminum mast)(look at the 2013
>> Chrysler Town and Country van as example)
> You can - and it can be plastic, or rope, or almost anything. What I
> don't know off hand is how big that spiral has to be. Obviously,
> wrapping a AWG 20 wire isn't going to do it.
> One thing to think about, though, is that the vibration may be excited
> somewhere else (guys?) and the tower just happens to be the resonator.
> The other thing is to make it stiffer (raise the resonant frequency)
> so it's not excited, or to make the diameter different in different
> This is a pretty complicated phenomenon - you don't see aluminum
> flagpoles having the problem.
> Interestingly, the phenomenon is probably more severe in moderate
> winds, rather than high winds (turbulence in the wind inhibits the
> Here's the formula:
> f = 0.185 * V/D
> f in Hz
> V in m/s
> D in meters
> 1 mi/hr = 0.48 m/s
> 1 " = 0.025 m
> so a 2" mast in a 10 mi/hr wind (0.05 m, 4.8m/s) would tend to vibrate
> at 1.78 Hz.
> On the other hand a 1/4" guy wire will be oscillating at 8 times that,
> around 14 Hz.
> I'd guess that the guy wires are higher Q than the mast.
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