[TowerTalk] Balun for Force 12 6 Element 20 Meter Monobander

[Billy Cox]

Having a bad day there Dave?

If you still have the receipt for your superpower to read
everything you need to know to judge someone from one post,
you might just want to ask for your money back? hihi

Ron is a newer ham, quite the learner, and the do-er. He is 
building a heck of a new station, and attempting to do it
right the first time by his asking, studying, and learning.

I know he has studied and used HFTA, modeling, and the input
from many others to help with the proper station design there.

Baluns as an example, is a topic that is debated and disagreed
on here frequently, much as True North, owls, and wenches too.

Ron's questions are actually spot on given all these arguments
and the lack of much peer reviewed data with similar conclusions.

So us 'Grumpy Old Farts' might need to give these newer guys 
(and gals) a bit more slack as they attempt to learn from us.

73 de Billy, AA4NU  (Certified Grumpy Old Fart #2752)


> On 07/21/2020 3:19 PM David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When you don't understand what you read, everything is going to sound 
> contradictory and confusing.  Saying things like "it may or may not be 
> useful" and "I'm not going to be better off than just haphazardly 
> building" isn't going to help you fix that.  Neither is expecting 
> someone else to do all the work give you all the answers.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> On 7/21/2020 11:50 AM, Ron WV4P wrote:
> > When you mix in all the recent postings by Tom, W8JI, I'm not sure Anyone
> > really knows Anything about Chokes / Baluns. Most of the available data is
> > contradictive. The more I read on the subject the less I know.
> > I have a couple DXE and a bunch of Balun Designs 1:1 Baluns. Both seem to
> > be the same quality and close to the same construction.
> > The most compelling evidence I have seen to date was the K3LR Vid where
> > they tested the noise on the outside of the coax. But, in that test I
> > believe they were using 3 feet of beads on the outside of the coax like
> > K3LR uses on his OWAs, not a 1:1 in a box. How do they compare ?
> >
> > *The only thing Consistent among the sources is that having a very high
> > choking impedance will not Hurt.* But, it may or may not be useful.
> >
> > I am currently building a new station from the ground up on a blank slate.
> > Every wire, every coax, structure, every piece of metal on the property
> > will be there because I put it there. Armed with everything I have read...
> > I'm not much better off than just hap haphazardly building and trying to
> > fix issues as they pop up. My hope was to be proactive and build a "Quiet"
> > station from the start.  This thread has summed up what I have learned.
> >
> >     - Everyone has a favorite.
> >     - They all sometimes seem to work.
> >     - What works at one station may not at another. (Why?)
> >     - Many may not even be needed.
> >     - We don't seem to have a standardized testing method to fully
> >     understand the Magic. (Each author / builders method claims theirs are
> >     superior)
> >
> > I'd like to see tests done with actual commercial production devices in
> > working environments. I'd like to see exactly what effect buried coax has
> > on CM, direct bury and in conduit. CMC's placed at high current nodes VS
> > "Feed point and close to amp"
> >
> > Ron, WV4P