[UK-CONTEST] HF SSB Field day rules ..

[Mike Farmer]

Just a thought.

If you run an FT1000mp you have 2 RX therefore adding a cluster station
makes it 3 rx so that is outside the rules (or is it?).

Mike
G3VAO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Summers" <ags at ttpcom.com>
To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Cc: "Jim Balls" <jim at j1mbo.f9.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] HF SSB Field day rules ..


> Hi Jim & everyone,
>
> Firstly, I'm having trouble with the list. When I send to the list it says
> I'm not a member and I have to wait for moderator approval. So this might
> take some time to make it onto the list. My Digest seems to have stopped
> today as well. Anyone else seen this?
>
> To the chase...
>
> Jim, I can assure you that we comply in every way with the letter of the
law
> in SSB Field Day. Chris has already demonstrated how it's possible to use
> the second Rx. Part of the 'game' in contests is to find ways of being
> creative to gain a competitive advantage whilst keeping within the rules.
I
> guess then it becomes a bit like athletes taking steroids. You have to
take
> them to be competitive at all. Then the steroids get banned. Self spotting
> might be an example of this. Of course you could simply cheat. We don't
> cheat because it'd be a hollow victory if we won in this way. I think you
> have to rely on people's conscience in contests, otherwise you'd have
> inspectors at every station.
>
> Our particular group has been doing this contest every year for the past 6
> years. We've gradually moved up the table through experience, both
> technically and operationally. You eventually figure out what other people
> do, use these techniques and hopefully build on them to get to number 1. I
> don't think we're there yet either.
>
> I'm not prepared to divulge publicly how we run our SSB Field Day station
> because we believe we're using techniques that others aren't (within the
> rules). We'd be giving away the competetive advantage we've worked so hard
> to achieve all these years. I'd be happy enough to discuss it with the
> adjudicator (in confidence) if they saw fit, however.
>
> The Rules:
>
> Talk about banging your head against a brick wall!
>
> The rules changed for SSB Field Day in line with NFD a few years back. For
> SSB Field Day, you used to be able to run one Tx & one Rx or one TRx and
an
> additional Rx. It was generally accepted that the additional Rx could have
> been another TRx used on Rx only. Following a high profile Radcom feature
on
> NFD, the rules changed to the present ones. From (a hazy) memory this had
> something to do with not wanting to exclude those who have rigs with a sub
> Rx, and yet feeling that it was too much of a temptation for the op not to
> use it! We don't operate NFD, so I can't comment on NFD practice, nor can
I
> remember whether a second Rx was allowed in NFD before the changes.
>
> Whilst I can't find the paper trail right now, at the time I complained
> about the changes, both on this point and on the point about explicitly
> allowing packet assistance in the restricted section. It seemed crazy to
me
> to allow a second Rx only if it was a sub-Rx. I argued for the old rules,
or
> to disallow any second Rx at all. You may also have seen my more recent
> posting arguing against packet assistance. On balance, I'm inclined to
agree
> with G3SJJ, that the second Rx gives someone else something to do.
>
> Anyway, my arguments fell on deaf ears.
>
> 73,
> Andy, G4KNO.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Guess you are right. I hadn't noticed that bit in the rules. Looks like a
> cock-up.
> Surely if you are allowed to use the 2nd rx in a transceiver, then
obviously
> you
> should be allowed to use a 2nd rx externally.
>
> With the prevalence of 1000Ds/MPs/Icoms/950s around these days,  it would
be
> somewhat negative to preclude all those. But I would certainly agree
no-one
> can
> justify the use of 2RXs against one as being fair play. Looks like a quick
> re-think
> is necessarry - HFCC.
>
> 73 Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-admin at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-admin at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Jim Balls
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:12 PM
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] HF SSB Field day rules ..
>
>
>
> So therefore all clubs must have access to a FT1000 of one mark or another
> or a TS950SDX?
> Oh dear we are putting money in the dealers pockets again :-( .. Never
mind
> we'll have to be content with coming mid table.
>
> I think the rules should make it fair, so as if the group wish to run a
> FT101 or  WHY they are in with a chance of the top spot, this will never
> happen whilst the rules allow "big nob / little nob" operation (I for one
> would not be happy with a little nob :-) ).
> can anyone justify the use of 2 RX's against one being fair play?
>
> So either ban the use of a second RX full stop or allow a second RX
> inspective of weather it's built into the radio or not.
>
> Anyway thanks for the clarification chris.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
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