[UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC

Sun Mar 21 15:01:04 EST 2004

Hi all,

I understand Chris's point about all's fair in Love and Contesting and 
to a certain extent there is a lot of legitimised cheating when it comes 
to power levels...both here there and everywhere...between you and your 
conscience I suppose (Oh how we struggle with that conscience!)

My point however in all this has been I DON'T CARE IF YOU RUN 2500 
Watts...I just do not wish to be classified in the same section as you 
in AFS if I am running 100w...despite blather backwards and forwards on 
this subject
no-one has actually come up with a reason why there should not be 
separate power classes in a contest where the power limits are 
flagrantly broken...because you are not 'competitive' running 100w 
instead of 2500w keeping the status quo appears to me to smack of the 
'Matilda' reasoning of...

I Big, your Small,
I Right , your Wrong,
and there's nothing you can do about it...

...I would be surprised if anyone has actually reached the top ten box 
in AFS without running an Amp (I'm not decrying their talent here...I've 
no doubt that most top tens can beat most anyone else into a cocked 
hat)...therefore the original claim stands...why are there not separate 
power class's?...the fact that people at one time did not fill in 
Equipment codes...or may live in a different part of the country has no 
bearing on this basic question.

If 5/100/S+CAD W classes were included in AFS (and others) I am sure it 
would not effect the overall standing among the 'competitive' stations 
at all...it would however allow those of us who are not regular SPLAT 
members to have something to compete for...thus serving the interests of 
all competitors who take part in such an event...If you are 58th in the 
overall listing running 100w and 3rd 100w station overall you have 
achieved something...if you are 58th in a listing which does not allow a 
separate power level competition to run within it YOU ARE JUST 58th...

73 de Paul G0WAT (QRP/ to QRO and all sins in between)

QRO can sometime be like clubbing a seal in a barrel...requires little 
brains, is not a pretty sight and makes an awful mess...then again calm 
down dear it's only hobby!

In message <MCBBILFIBOJAEJJDMDLEKEHACHAA.g3sjj at btinternet.com>, G3SJJ 
<g3sjj at btinternet.com> writes
>- My pleasure, Mike.
>
>- Well, going back about 15 years I probably passed you at 120mph but these
>days I am more likely to see if I can get you hooked on to the Freelander's
>towbar!
>
>- There is at least one UK contester who says there is no such thing as
>"Spirit" as in "Rules and Spirit of the Contest."
>
>- Nope. All's fair in love and contesting
>
>Chris G3SJJ    - Family Motto - Life is too short for QRP.
>Founder member of the G-QRO Club and Editor of the Club's digest "Splat"
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Farmer [mailto:G3VAO at Hortonbrook.freeserve.co.uk]
>Sent: 20 March 2004 21:58
>To: G3SJJ; UK Reflector
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
>
>
>Wow!!! I now know how a fisherman feels when he gets a bite followed by the
>biggest fish in the pond!!
>
>Chris I assume that you are driving one of the cars that goes past me at
>100mph+ when I am only doing 80+ on a motorway - The law is there to be
>broken seems to be your attitude.
>
>We must meet one day!!!
>
>But has the discussion even made you think of attempting to made uk
>contesting a fairer game for everyone at this point I include a quote from
>Paul
>"It appears to me somewhat unfair to be placed in the same section whether
>you are running 5w, 100w or 400w...however requiring everyone to be placed
>in the same section when some are running 2500w seems
>indefensible..."
>
>That's how G operators feel running 100watts to a beam in RSGB contest.
>
>73 de Mike
>G3VAO
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
>To: "UK Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:00 AM
>Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
>
>
>> With respect and putting it very mildly, that is a load of claptrap!
>>
>> 1 - There is this thing called the British Disease. You know - We are an
>> island and not in Eu, save the Pound, long live Beloo, we must stick to
>the
>> power limits.     Irrespective of any local licence conditions, there are
>> several internationally recognised power breaks : Standard Transceiver
>> Power, Standard Contest and DXing Power, S+CAD. Listen to the 3B9C
>pile-up,
>> ask what power is 3B9C running, what power are the callers running?
>>
>> The British Disease could also be prominent in the IOTA contest multi-op
>> section. As good honest UK ops we interpret the rules how we think the
>> sponsors intended them. There is strong suspicion amongst us stout fellows
>> that some other Eu groups are interpreting them how they want to. So you
>see
>> us Brits are so bad after all!!
>>
>> Running extended power is not new, is not limited to contesting and is not
>> limited to UK only stations.  Why do we have to keep going through this
>> silly discussion?
>>
>> I was recently exchanging memories of 160m DXing with a friend. I
>mentioned
>> the late G3GRL, my CW and 160m mentor, who back in the 1960s ran a pair of
>> 813s at around 500w out when the limit was 10w DC input. I was introduced
>to
>> 100w by my peers at that stage. From then on I always ran STP.  Come on
>> Mike, surely you are not that naive. What about the all the big UK, EU and
>> ROW DXers? What about the very late G2NM?  Surely you remember the late
>> G3FXB, top DXer and contester.
>>
>> 2 - On your second point. I couldn't care a jot what you wish to believe
>or
>> not believe. In AFS, like the 80m Cumulatives, if the rules say 100w, I
>will
>> use 100w.
>>
>> Go to 5B4 and have a look at the 3 P3A sites.  Come on Mike, live in the
>> real world
>>
>> Chris G3SJJ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Farmer [mailto:G3VAO at Hortonbrook.freeserve.co.uk]
>> Sent: 19 March 2004 22:41
>> To: G3SJJ; David L Sharred; Dave Lawley; UK Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
>>
>>
>> >
>> > One interesting point is that in AFS most competitive stations would be
>> > using SCAD (Standard Contesting and DXing) Power, ie 800 to 1200w, with
>a
>> > few using S+CAD, 1500-2500w, yet in the 80m CC with everyone using 100w,
>> > there were still problems.
>> >
>>
>> Must have another look at the BR 68 I must be missing something
>>
>> > - Might be worth limiting AFS to 100w. I would be happy to go along with
>> that.
>>
>> If you cannot restrict yourself to 400 in other contests what makes you
>> think we will belive you are at 100 in the AFS???
>>
>> Mike
>> G3VAO
>>
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