[UK-CONTEST] Win-Test
Royce Hunt, M0RHI
m0rhi at m0rhi.co.uk
Mon Jan 24 11:59:14 EST 2005
OK Don, maybe I was being *slightly* too ambitious :). I think though
that instead of MS Access, mySQL (which is not system-dependent (or not
AS system dependent)) is a good way for the QSOs to be stored locally,
though this would require the user to have some slightly more advanced
PC knowledge than they maybe have. I like the idea of XML as an
intermediate step that sounds great. Also, by running one SQL server on
a network, it becomes simpler to get all the QSOs together in one place
in a nice format, and of course it should be reasonably easy to make a
Cabrillo file out of the database entries. Certainly something for
software developers to look at, in my opinion.
The IOTA contest logchecking scheme used seems very intuitive and
it's evident that the quick and exceedingly accurate turnaround in
results was due to the advanced scripts written by the HFCC. It sounds
like a great idea, and probably more committees will pick up on the
idea, if they don't use it already.
Royce
Don Field wrote:
>I think, Royce, that's a step too far. For the IOTA contest we go Cabrillo
>(and several other formats) to XML to MySQL. The advantage of the XML
>intermediate stage is that the logs can easily be "eyeballed" before being
>amortised into the final MySQL database - you can view them in any Web
>browser. The final import to MySQL, for 1200 logs, takes all of about 5
>minutes, if that.
>
>Don G3XTT
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Royce Hunt, M0RHI" <m0rhi at m0rhi.co.uk>
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Win-Test
>
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>>I'm sure Gaby (OE8YDQ) won't mind me saying but as a University project
>>she was creating a logging programme using mySQL. The only draw back was
>>it was in VB.net which obviously has implications tying it to Windows.
>>Though, mySQL is a great way, in my opinion of making something platform
>>portable, and is also great for doing anything web-based with the data,
>>
>>
>too.
>
>
>>Maybe we'll see the day that we just export our mySQL database and the
>>Contest Committees just import the data and run their backend scripts on
>>it. A pipedream perhaps..
>>
>>Royce, M0RHI
>>
>>Don Field wrote:
>>
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>>>Out of curiosity, has anyone looked at this:
>>>
>>>http://www.dogparksoftware.com/mldxss.html
>>>:
>>>also http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX3D.html
>>>
>>>Looks awesome. Pity it's for Mac, but some interesting ideas in there by
>>>
>>>
>the
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>>>look of it. We need a Windows version!
>>>
>>>Actually, what we probably need, platform-independent-wise, is a Web
>>>
>>>
>based
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>>>logger, XML-based, that could therefore lend itself to single-op,
>>>
>>>
>multi-op,
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>>>single-site, multi-site, etc, etc. Could run directly on the
>>>contest-sponsor's server, and results could be out in next to no time
>>>
>>>
>after
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>>>the contest. Anybody starting to develop anything less than this nowadays
>>>
>>>
>is
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>>>really so 20th-century!
>>>
>>>73 Don G3XTT
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Cooper, Stewart" <coopers at odl.co.uk>
>>>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:37 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] Win-Test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have used the DX-Net software by this author, and I can recommend it.
>>>
>>>
>His
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>>>support is good too. He is an active contester himself. As for 'not being
>>>open source' 'missing the target'... whilst I like the notion of open
>>>source, in reality it is a support nightmare, and probably about 2 radio
>>>amateurs in the UK would have the skills or desire to start
>>>
>>>
>re-engineering
>
>
>>>their logging software. Besides, you yourself have said that a platform
>>>independent piece of software would be difficult to write, let alone
>>>support. I have long time looked for a logger that would support contests
>>>and allow a comments field (for 4m QTH, etc) and bandmap on VHF. I don't
>>>know if this one does, but I'll probably give it a try.
>>>73
>>>Stewart
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>>>[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Andy Summers
>>>Sent: 24 January 2005 13:20
>>>To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>>Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] Win-Test
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Simon and all,
>>>
>>>Yet another logging app! Whilst it looks pretty good, I think software
>>>authors are perpetually missing the target. Why is this wheel continually
>>>being re-invented? What I would like to see is an open source logger that
>>>
>>>
>is
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>>>platform portable. That way you could add any missing features yourself
>>>
>>>
>(if
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>>>you can write software), and run it on Linux if you like. N1MM is more or
>>>less run open source, but sadly isn't platform portable (Use of VB and MS
>>>Access).
>>>
>>>I think a Java based logger would fit the bill. I did a bit of hacking in
>>>Java myself to see, but it's a lot more complex than you might think.
>>>
>>>
>It's
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>>>become an abandoned project for now because I can't devote the necessary
>>>time to it (bear in mind N1MM runs to about 72,000 lines of code). I had
>>>used the working title 'jlog', but subsequently discovered somone had
>>>
>>>
>bagged
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>>>that name already <www.jlog.org>! Whilst this is written in Java, it's
>>>
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>not
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>>>fully open source and isn't really aimed at contesting.
>>>
>>>In replying to your post and having a rant, I guess I'm just hoping that
>>>someone might 'take up the baton'.
>>>
>>>73,
>>>Andy.
>>>
>>>PS: Glad to see CVRS is resurgent on the contesting front. I was a CVRS
>>>member 25 years ago, where I was first introduced to contesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:53:34 +0000
>>>>From: Simon Pearson <m0clw at ftml.net>
>>>>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Win-Test
>>>>To: UK-Contest <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>Message-ID: <41F3BA6E.3070701 at ftml.net>
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>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>>I came across Win-Test, a Windows contest logging program
>>>>written by Oliver F5MZN (who also wrote the open source DX
>>>>cluster software, 'DXNet'). From what I've seen thus far, it
>>>>looks very promising!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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