[UK-CONTEST] 80m CC CW G3SJJ

Sat Feb 25 05:23:53 EST 2006

Ok Chris point taken, no prob's
  John RCG

G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:
  You have still missed the point John. My original comment was NOT, 
repeat NOT, repeat NOT, aimed at up and coming cw ops.

It is only subsequent postings from other people that have gone down 
that route.

It is now agreed that the contest software involved, and used by a 
cross-section of people, is responsible.

Please try not to read something into this that doesn't exist.

Like you over the years I have encouraged and continue to encourage new 
and inexperienced contest operators, but if you are going to do that you 
need make sure they are picking up good techniques and not bad ones.

What frustrated me originally was a) that this has been raised before 
and b) there appeared to be an increase.

If this then goes on to major international contests, the UK is going to 
get itself a bad name for introducing poor operating techniques. It is 
up to us, the more experienced people, to make sure this doesn't happen. 
Paul, has agreed to take it up, so PLEASE, no more suggestions that I am 
complaining about newer ops.

Chris G3SJJ

John Muzyka wrote:

>I have not said much on this over the past 12 months I have seen lots of comments about the fact that people say hello by name in "friendly" contests like CC or dont exactly stick to the "approved procedure" and get slapped down for it, 
> I have a few up and coming cw ops at our club and I can honestly say that they have been put off by seeing some of the comments from some of the "big gun cw contest op's" on the reflector. I have to then say dont worry we are a nice crowd really!
> 
> I for one dont give a damn if some one in CC someone say's "Hi John", and will continue to do so myself if its someone I know, if you dont like it then dont work me simple as that.
> 
> I think that the "Elite" factor is coming in far too much into these nice little contests.
> 
> Ah well I have said my stuff and will stand by to get shot down in a hail of bullets
> 
> Cheers all
> John G4RCG (probably banished into oblivion now after the above comments)
> 
>
>G3SJJ wrote:
> Can't agree Ray. Any contest is a competitive event with the sole 
>objective that the participants compete to make the maximum number of 
>contacts they can within the given time and as efficiently and accurate 
>as possible. Their entries are then listed in that order.
>
>Yes, we want to encourage more participation and yes, we want to 
>encourage newer and/or lesser experienced operators, but whatever, it is 
>still a competitive event.
>
>But No, I am not, repeat not, lambasting these people. If you have read 
>my postings you will see that I go out of my way to make sure I give 
>them the necessary support. So in that respect you and others have 
>missed the point. I have deliberately not aimed my complaint at 
>newer/experienced operators. I did not say who were the culprits and, in 
>fact, a number of regular contest entrants sent what I reported. Maybe 
>more regular ones than newer ones!
>
>The real problem is, in fact, as Paul indicated a small error in his 
>software which in turn causes an unsuspecting user to change the 
>accepted way a contest exchange is made. As I and others have pointed 
>out, the "Industry Standard" does not normally do this. Paul has already 
>said he will address the problem in the manual, I guess then all it 
>needs is for users to alter the F Key messages, so really it isn't such 
>a great problem but sure is when you are at the end of it several times!!
>
>73 Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>Ray Goff wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I think that you have missed the point here and embellished it with rather
>>too much red wine.
>>
>>People come on in the 80m CC contests to give their club some points, not to
>>keep your run rate in triple figures. It is clear that since most of the
>>callsigns in this contest do not come up in the Super Partial window, they
>>are new to contesting.
>>
>>We all have to learn and in the sort of band conditions we had last night, I
>>can understand inexperienced operators wanting to make sure that they are
>>working the correct station. In the same vein, remember also, that not
>>everyone in the contest is happy handling QSO's with speeds in the high 20's
>>and 30's.
>>
>>What you are seeing here is an HFCC success story unfolding with more and
>>more stations becoming active in all three modes. If the stations you are
>>lambasting actually become interested in contesting as a result of their
>>experience with the 80m CC test, then they will learn soon enough how to
>>conduct a contest QSO.
>>
>>In the meantime, we need to encourage new contesting blood if we are going
>>to increase the interest in contesting above the less than 2% previously
>>discussed on this reflector. Your comments are not helpful in that regard,
>>although fortunately most of the stations in question will not have
>>discovered this reflector.
>>
>>Just my tuppence worth. Just 70 Q's here under very heavy QRM conditions.
>>
>>73
>>
>>Ray, G4FON / N4FON
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>>[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of G3SJJ
>>Sent: 23 February 2006 21:43
>>To: UK Contest Reflector
>>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] 80m CC CW G3SJJ
>>
>>It didn't used to be like this. I shake my head in pure disbelief.
>>
>>Proper Contest QSO :
>>G3SJJ - CQ
>>Caller - Callsign
>>G3SJJ - Callsign, RST Serial
>>Caller - RST Serial
>>
>>Now
>>G3SJJ - CQ
>>Caller - Callsign
>>G3SJJ - Callsign, RST Serial
>>Caller - MY BLOODY CALLSIGN, RST Serial - Wot the F is all that about!!!???
>>
>>Loads of the -uggers this time. We're going backwards.
>>
>>Inter G condx good plus some other Eu as well. 114 Qs.
>>
>>Ft1kMP, dipole at 18m, ends at 14mf, waterlogged clay ground for several
>>about 1km around.
>>
>>Chris G3SJJ
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