[UK-CONTEST] UK-Contest Digest, Vol 43, Issue 40
G3SJJ
g3sjj at btinternet.com
Mon Jul 17 17:10:31 EDT 2006
H, TM0HQ , France French REF . At F6HKM, Google up. We , USA available.
We well, QSOs private, I British don't else. There op. That we, French
British Germans. After all, . Well, . Derek
Now I understand it. Thanks Derek, yes I have seen the website.
Chris G3SJJ
f5vcr at free.fr wrote:
> hi as an op of tm0hq 20m ssb the best way to explain how we do it in france is
> the best stations in the french ref ctest discuss amongst themselves which
> station is best situated for which band here at f6khm google search to see our
> set up we are the best situated for 20/15 m nearer to usa etc etc and then
> discuss whether cw/ssb depending on ops available we were 4 ops and it worked
> very well 3000 qsos but all the stations are private we have no NATIONAL
> station. i can understand why certain british ops were peaved why they were not
> chosen but you are not going to ask someone to operate who you dont know and
> more important they should get on with eveyone else there are plenty of smaller
> ctests in which to be a guest op that is the way to integrate a team and not a
> ctest where we that is the french + the british are out to beat the germans
> after all it is ONLY a hobby well that is my thruppence worth
> 73s derek F5VCR/GW4VRV/G6MLN/TM4Z/9G5MD/TR0A/P/VK6DDU
>
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>> 1. Maths-help (Clive Whelan)
>> 2. Beware - this list is unmoderated! (Tim Kirby)
>> 3. Re: Beware - this list is unmoderated! (Ian G3WVG)
>> 4. K4BAI (Gerard Lynch)
>> 5. Re: Fw: GB5HQ (Andy Swiffin)
>> 6. GB5HQ how do others do it? (Alex GM3ZBE)
>> 7. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Clive Whelan)
>> 8. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Bob Henderson)
>> 9. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Cooper, Stewart)
>> 10. GB5HQ (woodg at lindsey.tlfe.org)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:18:59 -0000
>> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Maths-help
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <NJEKIHLAGJFHHNGLLDFMGEOMGFAA.clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
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>> Hi list
>>
>> A tad off topic, please excuse me.
>>
>> I'm seeking someone with a working knowledge of spherical trigonometry.
>>
>> Why would I need that? Well I'm trying to do some research into anomalous
>> Es propagation, with particular focus on 50Mhz. To this end I need to
>> calculate ranges at various take off angles, and the ( amateur) text books
>> are pretty sketchy in this area. I can just about cope with straightforward
>> navigational problems, but trying to hack 3D problems such as the
>> aforementioned really makes my brain hurt! My dimly remembered 1960-vintage
>> A level maths is just not up to this.
>>
>> Probably rocket science would not be required, but astronomical expertise
>> might be helpful?
>>
>> tia
>>
>>
>> Clive
>> GW3NJW
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:55:52 -0000
>> From: "Tim Kirby" <tim at timkirby.net>
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Beware - this list is unmoderated!
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <003b01c6a911$d800b120$0e00a8c0 at mshome.net>
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>> This evening, I received an e-mail from an ex-subscriber of this list, saying
>> that he had unsubscribed owing to the behaviour of another list member. I got
>> the impression that he expected me to do something about it.
>>
>> Chris, GM3WOJ in a message recently, described this list very accurately,
>> with one exception. He described me as a moderator. In my book, a moderator
>> does just what the word 'moderate' implies. If someone steps out of line in
>> posting, the moderator will step in and pour oil on troubled waters/tell
>> people not to be so stupid and so on....
>>
>> My function on this list is not that! I agreed, when the list was set up that
>> I would happily try and help people subscribe, unsubscribe and provide a
>> channel to the server owners when required. I don't have the time, or
>> inclination to review the content of each message and police 'unsatisfactory'
>> posts! I don't do that, and no-one else does. Fortunately, for the very vast
>> majority of time, no-one needs do that.
>>
>> Please, when you're posting just a reminder to do what the very vast majority
>> of you already do... feel free to argue forcefully, use humour - but treat
>> people as you'd expect to be treated yourself.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> 73, Tim, G4VXE
>>
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>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:30:16 -0000
>> From: "Ian G3WVG" <g3wvg at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Beware - this list is unmoderated!
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <20060716211432.111843194F8 at dayton.contesting.com>
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>>
>> Quite right Tim ...Well said.
>> 73 Ian G3WVG
>>
>>
>> Please, when you're posting just a reminder to do what the very vast
>> majority of you already do... feel free to argue forcefully, use humour -
>> but treat people as you'd expect to be treated yourself.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> 73, Tim, G4VXE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:05:42 +0100
>> From: "Gerard Lynch" <gerrylynch at freenetname.co.uk>
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] K4BAI
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <007f01c6a923$fae774a0$874bbd50 at GerryLynch>
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>>
>> Off topic but I'm not sure what else to do...
>>
>> K4BAI sent me an e-mail but the reply address is bouncing. Does someone
>> have an up to date e-mail or landline number?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gerry G0RTN
>> Vanity Page at http://www.gerrylynch.co.uk
>> "In days of old, when ops were bold, and sidebands not invented,
>> The word would pass, by pounding brass, and all were well contented."
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:49:02 +0100
>> From: "Andy Swiffin" <a.l.swiffin at dundee.ac.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: GB5HQ
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <44BB4F07.54D3.00BD.3 at dundee.ac.uk>
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>>
>>>>> On 14/07/2006 at 17:03, in message <44B7C03E.7030706 at ntlworld.com>,
>>>>>
>> Tom Wylie
>> <t.wylie at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Taking part in and listening around in a lot of the Contests, I hear
>>>
>>> very little GM activity. You only have to look at the results to
>>>
>> see
>>
>>> how many active contesting GMs there really are. I think that
>>>
>> speaks
>>
>>> for itself and interest in Contesting in GM can only be described as
>>>
>>> minimal. So much for the health of Contesting in GM. RTTY seems
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> be the only mode with a growing number of participants....
>>>
>> Indeed, I've now a growing collection of certificates from the nice
>> people at DARC for WAE RTTY, another new one arrived over the weekend.
>> What's particularly nice about them is that the certificate says that
>> they were awarded in recognition of "WINNING WAE RTTY" and then in very
>> small letters "first place Scotland". No-one looking at it is to know
>> that there were only 3 people who entered from GM (the nearest having
>> only dabbled with 85 qsos and 1/30th of my score) and that's assuming
>> your eyesight is sufficient to read the small letters bit :-)
>>
>> In the soapbox for the contest I think I'm probably the only person to
>> say: "am I the only entrant NOT to have worked his own country on any
>> band"?
>>
>> If there is a growing number on rtty I look forward to the chance of 5
>> multipliers next time! (Unless it was _Me_ you're referring to as the
>> growing number of participants, Tom?)
>>
>> 73
>> Andy
>> gm8oeg
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:38 +0100
>> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <000001c6a979$0c9cafd0$0b0c7157 at Lalathan>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know how
>> the other countries select their HQ stations? Germany/DARC for example?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:39:14 -0000
>> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <NJEKIHLAGJFHHNGLLDFMIEAEGGAA.clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> GM3ZBE wrote
>>
>> <does anyone know how
>> the other countries select their HQ stations? Germany/DARC for example?>
>>
>> Did Klinsmann choose Shweinsteiger or Klose ( sp?) via democratic means? I
>> doubt it.
>>
>>
>> The DLs know how to win; the Brits are just good losers :-( [ not directed
>> at the A1 GB5HQ team N.B.]
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> Clive
>> GW3NJW
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:01:06 -0000
>> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>> To: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>, <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <0c1001c6a990$5137bd30$0100a8c0 at SHACK3>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I don't know the answer to your question but a query to one of the prominent
>> DL contesters might reveal something.
>>
>> It's pretty clear that flag waving is the biggest influence on outcome for
>> HQ stations.
>>
>> In 2005, 9000 of the 19000 contacts made by DA0HQ were with DL stations.
>> That's a massive 47%. I don't have access to the GB5HQ log for 2005 but
>> perhaps someone who does could make us aware of the equivalent contribution
>> to the QSO total. Dramatically less I have no doubt.
>>
>> If competition between HQ stations is to gain any level of credibility, then
>> steps to counter the flag waving effect are essential. Without these, the
>> only significant criteria in determination of outcome is amateur population
>> in territory served and there isn't a whole lot can be done in a 24 hour
>> contest to affect that ;-)
>>
>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:14 AM
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know
>>> how
>>> the other countries select their HQ stations? Germany/DARC for example?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:10:21 +0100
>> From: "Cooper, Stewart" <coopers at odl.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <01FF01D83CCC1E4381DA10C0264A929A16F788 at odlmail1.odlabz.co.uk>
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>>
>>
>> This doesn't actually answer your question, but while talking to some DLs at
>> WRTC I was told that there are a number of very popular internal DL awards
>> which run in parallel with the IARU contest. There is an award for the
>> station which can work their HQ station on all bands and modes, and an award
>> for the first to do it, and an award for the person who does it the quickest.
>> I don't know who sponsors these awards (or whether they are paid in cash),
>> but they generate a LOT of internal DL activity. These Q's are not worth much
>> points on their own to an HQ station, but 9000 of 19000 would! It also keeps
>> an HQ station busy, which of itself can generate interest/pile-up.
>> 73
>> Stewart
>> GM4AFF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
>> Sent: 17 July 2006 12:01
>> To: Alex GM3ZBE; uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>>
>>
>> I don't know the answer to your question but a query to one of the prominent
>> DL contesters might reveal something.
>>
>> It's pretty clear that flag waving is the biggest influence on outcome for
>> HQ stations.
>>
>> In 2005, 9000 of the 19000 contacts made by DA0HQ were with DL stations.
>> That's a massive 47%. I don't have access to the GB5HQ log for 2005 but
>> perhaps someone who does could make us aware of the equivalent contribution
>> to the QSO total. Dramatically less I have no doubt.
>>
>> If competition between HQ stations is to gain any level of credibility, then
>> steps to counter the flag waving effect are essential. Without these, the
>> only significant criteria in determination of outcome is amateur population
>> in territory served and there isn't a whole lot can be done in a 24 hour
>> contest to affect that ;-)
>>
>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:14 AM
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know
>>> how
>>> the other countries select their HQ stations? Germany/DARC for example?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:42:12 +0100
>> From: woodg at lindsey.tlfe.org
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ
>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
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>> Hi All
>>
>> I wonder if other countries suffer the same back biting, petty jealousy and
>> ridiculing of their HQ stations by fellow compatriates. It mostly seems to be
>> sour grapes by same old few.
>>
>> A belated well done to all concerned with GB5HQ, no matter how they were
>> picked.
>> All the stations I worked or heard the operating was a lesson on how it
>> should be done, 8 of them managed to pull in my 10w sig to LW.
>>
>> I've been entering contests for nearly 40 years and take my hat off to these
>> newer 'lads' (and OT SJJ). I stick mainly to QRP contest, being able to
>> compete with very modest ants and rigs.
>> It's not necessary the winning (I have won a few in my time) but knowing I
>> did my best effort on the day, then sort out what went wrong and how it could
>> be improved next time, without carping on about my geological location.
>>
>> 73's Graham G3VIP.
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