[UK-CONTEST] UK-Contest Digest, Vol 43, Issue 40

Mon Jul 17 15:52:18 EDT 2006

hi as an op of tm0hq 20m ssb the best way to explain how we do it in france is
the best stations in the french ref ctest discuss amongst themselves which
station is best situated for which band here at f6khm google search to see our
set up we are the best situated for 20/15 m nearer to usa etc etc and then
discuss whether cw/ssb depending on ops available we were 4 ops and it worked
very well 3000 qsos but all the stations are private we have no NATIONAL
station. i can understand why certain british ops were peaved why they were not
chosen but you are not going to ask someone to operate who you dont know and
more important they should get on with eveyone else there are plenty of smaller
ctests in which to be a guest op that is the way to integrate a team and not a
ctest where we that is the french + the british are out to beat the germans
after all it is ONLY a hobby well that is my thruppence worth
73s derek F5VCR/GW4VRV/G6MLN/TM4Z/9G5MD/TR0A/P/VK6DDU

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>    1. Maths-help (Clive Whelan)
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>    3. Re: Beware - this list is unmoderated! (Ian G3WVG)
>    4. K4BAI (Gerard Lynch)
>    5. Re: Fw: GB5HQ (Andy Swiffin)
>    6. GB5HQ how do others do it? (Alex GM3ZBE)
>    7. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Clive Whelan)
>    8. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Bob Henderson)
>    9. Re: GB5HQ how do others do it? (Cooper, Stewart)
>   10. GB5HQ (woodg at lindsey.tlfe.org)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:18:59 -0000
> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Maths-help
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Hi list
>
> A tad off topic, please excuse me.
>
> I'm seeking someone with a working knowledge of spherical trigonometry.
>
>  Why would I need that? Well I'm trying to do some research into anomalous
> Es propagation, with particular focus on 50Mhz. To this end I need to
> calculate ranges at various take off angles, and the ( amateur) text books
> are pretty sketchy in this area. I can just about cope with straightforward
> navigational problems, but trying to hack  3D problems such as the
> aforementioned really makes my brain hurt! My dimly remembered  1960-vintage
> A level maths is just not up to this.
>
> Probably rocket science would not be required, but astronomical expertise
> might be helpful?
>
> tia
>
>
> Clive
> GW3NJW
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:55:52 -0000
> From: "Tim Kirby" <tim at timkirby.net>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Beware - this list is unmoderated!
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> This evening, I received an e-mail from an ex-subscriber of this list, saying
> that he had unsubscribed owing to the behaviour of another list member. I got
> the impression that he expected me to do something about it.
>
> Chris, GM3WOJ in a message recently, described this list very accurately,
> with one exception. He described me as a moderator. In my book, a moderator
> does just what the word 'moderate' implies. If someone steps out of line in
> posting, the moderator will step in and pour oil on troubled waters/tell
> people not to be so stupid and so on....
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> My function on this list is not that! I agreed, when the list was set up that
> I would happily try and help people subscribe, unsubscribe and provide a
> channel to the server owners when required. I don't have the time, or
> inclination to review the content of each message and police 'unsatisfactory'
> posts! I don't do that, and no-one else does. Fortunately, for the very vast
> majority of time, no-one needs do that.
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> Please, when you're posting just a reminder to do what the very vast majority
> of you already do... feel free to argue forcefully, use humour - but treat
> people as you'd expect to be treated yourself.
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> Thank you!
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> 73, Tim, G4VXE
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:30:16 -0000
> From: "Ian G3WVG" <g3wvg at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Beware - this list is unmoderated!
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> Quite right Tim ...Well said.
> 73 Ian G3WVG
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Please, when you're posting just a reminder to do what the very vast
> majority of you already do... feel free to argue forcefully, use humour -
> but treat people as you'd expect to be treated yourself.
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> Thank you!
>
> 73, Tim, G4VXE
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:05:42 +0100
> From: "Gerard Lynch" <gerrylynch at freenetname.co.uk>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] K4BAI
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> Off topic but I'm not sure what else to do...
>
> K4BAI sent me an e-mail but the reply address is bouncing.  Does someone
> have an up to date e-mail or landline number?
>
> 73
>
> Gerry G0RTN
> Vanity Page at http://www.gerrylynch.co.uk
> "In days of old, when ops were bold, and sidebands not invented,
> The word would pass, by pounding brass, and all were well contented."
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:49:02 +0100
> From: "Andy Swiffin" <a.l.swiffin at dundee.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: GB5HQ
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> >>> On 14/07/2006 at 17:03, in message <44B7C03E.7030706 at ntlworld.com>,
> Tom Wylie
> <t.wylie at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > Taking part in and listening around in a lot of the Contests, I hear
>
> > very little GM activity.   You only have to look at the results to
> see
> > how many active contesting GMs there really are.   I think that
> speaks
> > for itself and interest in Contesting in GM can only be described as
>
> > minimal.   So much for the health of Contesting in GM.   RTTY seems
> to
> > be the only mode with a growing number of participants....
>
> Indeed, I've now a growing collection of certificates from the nice
> people at DARC for WAE RTTY, another new one arrived over the weekend.
> What's particularly nice about them is that the certificate says that
> they were awarded in recognition of "WINNING WAE RTTY"  and then in very
> small letters "first place Scotland".  No-one looking at it is to know
> that there were only 3 people who entered from GM (the nearest having
> only dabbled with 85 qsos and 1/30th of my score) and that's assuming
> your eyesight is sufficient to read the small letters bit :-)
>
> In the soapbox for the contest I think I'm probably the only person to
> say: "am I the only entrant NOT to have worked his own country on any
> band"?
>
> If there is a growing number on rtty I look forward to the chance of 5
> multipliers next time!  (Unless it was _Me_ you're referring to as the
> growing number of participants, Tom?)
>
> 73
> Andy
> gm8oeg
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:38 +0100
> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know how
> the other countries select their HQ stations?  Germany/DARC for example?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:39:14 -0000
> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> GM3ZBE wrote
>
> <does anyone know how
> the other countries select their HQ stations?  Germany/DARC for example?>
>
> Did Klinsmann choose Shweinsteiger or Klose ( sp?) via democratic means? I
> doubt it.
>
>
> The DLs know how to win; the Brits are just good losers :-(  [ not directed
> at the A1 GB5HQ team N.B.]
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Clive
> GW3NJW
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:01:06 -0000
> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
> To: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>, <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <0c1001c6a990$5137bd30$0100a8c0 at SHACK3>
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>
> I don't know the answer to your question but a query to one of the prominent
> DL contesters might reveal something.
>
> It's pretty clear that flag waving is the biggest influence on outcome for
> HQ stations.
>
> In 2005, 9000 of the 19000 contacts made by DA0HQ were with DL stations.
> That's a massive 47%.  I don't have access to the GB5HQ log for 2005 but
> perhaps someone who does could make us aware of the equivalent contribution
> to the QSO total.  Dramatically less I have no doubt.
>
> If competition between HQ stations is to gain any level of credibility, then
> steps to counter the flag waving effect are essential.  Without these, the
> only significant criteria in determination of outcome is amateur population
> in territory served and there isn't a whole lot can be done in a 24 hour
> contest to affect that ;-)
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:14 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know
> > how
> > the other countries select their HQ stations?  Germany/DARC for example?
> >
> > Alex
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:10:21 +0100
> From: "Cooper, Stewart" <coopers at odl.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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>
> This doesn't actually answer your question, but while talking to some DLs at
> WRTC I was told that there are a number of very popular internal DL awards
> which run in parallel with the IARU contest. There is an award for the
> station which can work their HQ station on all bands and modes, and an award
> for the first to do it, and an award for the person who does it the quickest.
> I don't know who sponsors these awards (or whether they are paid in cash),
> but they generate a LOT of internal DL activity. These Q's are not worth much
> points on their own to an HQ station, but 9000 of 19000 would! It also keeps
> an HQ station busy, which of itself can generate interest/pile-up.
> 73
> Stewart
> GM4AFF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bob Henderson
> Sent: 17 July 2006 12:01
> To: Alex GM3ZBE; uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>
>
> I don't know the answer to your question but a query to one of the prominent
> DL contesters might reveal something.
>
> It's pretty clear that flag waving is the biggest influence on outcome for
> HQ stations.
>
> In 2005, 9000 of the 19000 contacts made by DA0HQ were with DL stations.
> That's a massive 47%.  I don't have access to the GB5HQ log for 2005 but
> perhaps someone who does could make us aware of the equivalent contribution
> to the QSO total.  Dramatically less I have no doubt.
>
> If competition between HQ stations is to gain any level of credibility, then
> steps to counter the flag waving effect are essential.  Without these, the
> only significant criteria in determination of outcome is amateur population
> in territory served and there isn't a whole lot can be done in a 24 hour
> contest to affect that ;-)
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex GM3ZBE" <alex at gm3zbe.plus.com>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:14 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ how do others do it?
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't want to restart the team selection debate, but does anyone know
> > how
> > the other countries select their HQ stations?  Germany/DARC for example?
> >
> > Alex
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:42:12 +0100
> From: woodg at lindsey.tlfe.org
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] GB5HQ
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> Hi All
>
> I wonder if other countries suffer the same back biting, petty jealousy and
> ridiculing of their HQ stations by fellow compatriates. It mostly seems to be
> sour grapes by same old few.
>
> A belated well done to all concerned with GB5HQ, no matter how they were
> picked.
> All the stations I worked or heard the operating was a lesson on how it
> should be done, 8 of them managed to pull in my 10w sig to LW.
>
> I've been entering contests for nearly 40 years and take my hat off to these
> newer 'lads' (and OT SJJ). I stick mainly to QRP contest, being able to
> compete with very modest ants and rigs.
> It's not necessary the winning (I have won a few in my time) but knowing I
> did my best effort on the day, then sort out what went wrong and how it could
> be improved next time, without carping on about my geological location.
>
> 73's Graham G3VIP.
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