[UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show

Mike Potter mpotter at cytanet.com.cy
Wed Jun 14 03:30:14 EDT 2006 

Will be there.
Mike 5B4AGX
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>   1. Re: Score publishing (Bob Henderson)
>   2. Re: Friedrichshafen Show (Bob Henderson)
>   3. Re: Friedrichshafen Show (G3SJJ)
>   4. Re: Friedrichshafen Show (Justin Snow)
>   5. Re: Friedrichshafen Show (Colin G3PSM)
>   6. Fwd: Re:  Score publishing (Justin Snow)
>   7. Re: Score publishing (Clive Whelan)
>   8. Re: Score publishing (Paul O'Kane)
>   9. Re: Fwd: Re:  Score publishing (Bob Henderson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:45:53 -0000
> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
> To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>, "Justin Snow"
> <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
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> Did I mention marketing?  My point is the motivational effect of feedback.
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
> To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
>
>
>> At 21:10 13/06/06 +0000, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>
>> >*DARC WAE and SRR RDXC are examples.
>>
>> I don't enter any of these contests.  How does publishing claimed scores
>> help the marketing of them ?
>>
>>
>> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:48:22 -0000
> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
> To: "Uk-Contest at Contesting. Com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Me too.
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Wylie" <t.wylie at ntlworld.com>
> To: <g4fnl at bubloz.demon.co.uk>
> Cc: "Uk-Contest at Contesting. Com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
>
>
>> YES!
>>
>> tom
>> gm4fdm
>>
>>
>>
>> G4FNL wrote:
>> > Folks
>> >
>> > Slight off topic, but is anyone (else) going to the FN show this year?
>> >
>> > Graham G4FNL
>> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:50:27 +0100
> From: G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
> Cc: UK Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> NO!  I spent my money, and totally bust my budget, on a States trip to
> FOC D.C. Dinner, Dayton and a K2. Now having to catch up on brownie
> points doing home improvements, gardening and as further compensation,
> buying the boss a new greenhouse. Had a good time though but looking
> forward to FN 2007!
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>
> Tom Wylie wrote:
>> YES!
>>
>> tom
>> gm4fdm
>>
>>
>>
>> G4FNL wrote:
>>
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> Slight off topic, but is anyone (else) going to the FN show this year?
>>>
>>> Graham G4FNL
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:02:05 +0000
> From: Justin Snow <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
> To: UK-Contest at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20060613220207.9B5BC319BD2 at dayton.akorn.net>
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> Not this year,  I thoroughly recommend it though.  Much better than 
> Dayton.
>
>>> G4FNL wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks
>>>>
>>>> Slight off topic, but is anyone (else) going to the FN show this year?
>>>>
>>>> Graham G4FNL
>
> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:07:45 +0100
> From: Colin G3PSM <colin at g3psm.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
> To: "Uk-Contest at Contesting. Com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <448F3731.9090705 at g3psm.net>
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> and me.
>
> Colin, G3PSM
>
> Bob Henderson wrote:
>
>>Me too.
>>
>>Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Tom Wylie" <t.wylie at ntlworld.com>
>>To: <g4fnl at bubloz.demon.co.uk>
>>Cc: "Uk-Contest at Contesting. Com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Friedrichshafen Show
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>YES!
>>>
>>>tom
>>>gm4fdm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>G4FNL wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Folks
>>>>
>>>>Slight off topic, but is anyone (else) going to the FN show this year?
>>>>
>>>>Graham G4FNL
>>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:56:21 +0000
> From: Justin Snow <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Fwd: Re:  Score publishing
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20060613225626.2C621319BB2 at dayton.akorn.net>
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>
> No intention to go private, just that hitting reply does not automatically
> go back to the list for some strange reason..  Can't see the point of a
> reflector that does not do a reply back to the list by default.
>
> Have DARC and SRR asked the opinion of all their entrants I wonder.  I bet
> not.
>
> "Enormous list of subscribers to 3830"?  I bet that most of those are from
> the US and a pitiful number are from GB
>
> Anyway, I assert that I would rather put efforts into a faster turnaround
> of results than waste time on producing temporary lists of claimed scores.
> If you want to delay the results by a few weeks or months more then by all
> means let have claimed scores.  The average adjudicator only has a few
> evenings a month to do all this work, and I can tell you now that you 
> would
> easily use up one of those evenings doing what you want.   Hence the
> prioritizeation of the results.  Now if only RadCom would publish them as
> well.
>
> Justin
>
>
>>I note your decision to go private at this point.  I fail to understand 
>>why.
>>
>>> Still I have to say I am perplexed by your assertion that claimed scores
>>> motivate people.  Does nothing for me.
>>
>>It is always risky to assume one's own view is representative.  Ask any
>>marketeer.  You'll need to be able to discern the wisdom from the BS 
>>though
>>;-)
>>
>>The actions of DARC and SRR say your opinion is not representative.  So 
>>does
>>the enormous list of subscribers to 3830.
>>
>>You don't need to be perplexed.  Just read the signs.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
>>To: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
>>
>>
>>> Ah, no, got confused with hacking SJJ's argument about.  Same difference
>>in
>>> my opinion.
>>> Still I have to say I am perplexed by your assertion that claimed scores
>>> motivate people.  Does nothing for me.  But then I am old fashioned. 
>>> what
>>> motivates me is beating the next guy or doing better than last time. 
>>> For
>>> me it is always the results that matter.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>> At 21:45 13/06/06 +0000, you wrote:
>>> >Did I mention marketing?  My point is the motivational effect of
>>feedback.
>>> >
>>> >Bob, 5B4AGN
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
>>> >To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:21 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> At 21:10 13/06/06 +0000, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >*DARC WAE and SRR RDXC are examples.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't enter any of these contests.  How does publishing claimed
>>scores
>>> >> help the marketing of them ?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> UK-Contest mailing list
>>> >> UK-Contest at contesting.com
>>> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/uk-contest
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:05:53 -0000
> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
> To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <NJEKIHLAGJFHHNGLLDFMEEFAGDAA.clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Bob is right. It should be done, it could be done. No ifs, no buts, let's
> just do it.
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Clive
> GW3NJW
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:19:45 +0100
> From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
> To: "Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <004801c68f40$18b594b0$0101a8c0 at MEDION>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> For what it's worth,
>
> With the single exception of the Clubs Call Contest,
> SD scores RSGB contests correctly and gives a correct
> claimed (pre-adjudicated) score.
>
> SD runs on any Windows PC and is free from
> www.ei5di.com/sd/sdsetup.exe.
>
> SDR scores RSGB Cabrillo logs correctly, with the single
> exception of the Clubs Call Contest. It identifies dupes
> and mults, and gives a correct claimed (pre-adjudicated)
> score.
>
> SDR is free to contest organisers on request.
>
> For SDR to work, the Cabrillo QSO records must be to
> RSGB specifications - as published in
> www.contesting.co.uk/hfcc/information/cabrillo.shtml.
>
> Non-standard "Cabrillo" logs simply mean extra work for
> someone. It is time to insist on correctly formatted logs?
>
> 73,
> Paul EI5DI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:45:04 -0000
> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Fwd: Re:  Score publishing
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>, "Justin Snow"
> <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <059d01c68f43$6b420f30$a20317ac at SHACK3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>> Have DARC and SRR asked the opinion of all their entrants I wonder.  I 
>> bet
>> not.
>
> I suggest you ask DARC and SRR about hit levels on their websites 
> following
> the listing of claimed scores.
>
>>
>> "Enormous list of subscribers to 3830"?  I bet that most of those are 
>> from
>> the US and a pitiful number are from GB
>
> Well of course the majority are from the US.  And as we know, American
> contesters are a completely digfferent breed to we Europeans.  Their
> attitudes are bad, they're hung-up on feedback and many of them have two
> heads.
>
>>
>> Anyway, I assert that I would rather put efforts into a faster turnaround
>> of results than waste time on producing temporary lists of claimed 
>> scores.
>
> Dinosaurs didn't move with the times.  If you want to get ahead, you don't
> have a choice.  Both are required.
>
>> If you want to delay the results by a few weeks or months more then by 
>> all
>> means let have claimed scores. The average adjudicator only has a few
>> evenings a month to do all this work, and I can tell you now that you
> would
>> easily use up one of those evenings doing what you want.
>
> Your arithmetic is different to mine.  If the average adjudicator has a 
> few
> evenings a month to apply to this work and it will take one of those
> evenings to do this, then why would results be delayed by a few weeks or
> months as a consequence?  This is not a trick question.
>
> Anyway Justin, I've pushed enough water uphill for one evening.  I'm off 
> to
> bed.
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> Hence the
>> prioritizeation of the results.  Now if only RadCom would publish them as
>> well.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>> >I note your decision to go private at this point.  I fail to understand
> why.
>> >
>> >> Still I have to say I am perplexed by your assertion that claimed
> scores
>> >> motivate people.  Does nothing for me.
>> >
>> >It is always risky to assume one's own view is representative.  Ask any
>> >marketeer.  You'll need to be able to discern the wisdom from the BS
> though
>> >;-)
>> >
>> >The actions of DARC and SRR say your opinion is not representative.  So
> does
>> >the enormous list of subscribers to 3830.
>> >
>> >You don't need to be perplexed.  Just read the signs.
>> >
>> >Bob
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
>> >To: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:07 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ah, no, got confused with hacking SJJ's argument about.  Same
> difference
>> >in
>> >> my opinion.
>> >> Still I have to say I am perplexed by your assertion that claimed
> scores
>> >> motivate people.  Does nothing for me.  But then I am old fashioned.
> what
>> >> motivates me is beating the next guy or doing better than last time.
> For
>> >> me it is always the results that matter.
>> >>
>> >> Justin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 21:45 13/06/06 +0000, you wrote:
>> >> >Did I mention marketing?  My point is the motivational effect of
>> >feedback.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bob, 5B4AGN
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
>> >> >To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:21 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> At 21:10 13/06/06 +0000, Bob Henderson wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >*DARC WAE and SRR RDXC are examples.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't enter any of these contests.  How does publishing claimed
>> >scores
>> >> >> help the marketing of them ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> UK-Contest mailing list
>> >> >> UK-Contest at contesting.com
>> >> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/uk-contest
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> Justin Snow  G4TSH
>>
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