[UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules

Wed May 17 03:39:24 EDT 2006

Neil

I agree that use of an FT1kD can provide significant and unfair advantage.
However, broadening the scope of the rules to allow use of two transceivers
with second receivers in each, albeit they are disabled along with the
second tx, feels somewhat akin to prizing the lid off Pandora's box.

Given the FT1kD is now old hat, perhaps it would be fairer just to exclude
use of transceivers with simultaneous dual-band receive capability?

Is that a wailing and gnashing of teeth I hear?  How does one make a tongue
in cheek smiley?

Bob, 5B4AGN

----- Original Message -----
From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules

> Bob et al,
>
> I am sure that the common good was the only motivating factor for the rule
> but unfortunately they didn't consider the difference between radios with
> totally independent receivers like FT1000D  and those with common front
ends
> like the FT1000MP.
>
> Consider this scenario.
>
> It is 2000utc and you are running on 20m. You know that you need all the
> points possible from 160m so you are wondering when it will open or beome
> active. With the FT1000D you can happily listen on 160m even using an
> antenna tuned to 20m and you will hear the stations as they come on on
160.
> You can then with swift SO2V action pick them off (assuming you have some
> automatic way of tuning your one antenna for tx eg with multiple switched
> atu's). Try using another radio such as FT1000MP with its common front end
> tuned to 20m and with an antenna tuned to 20m for your tx; you will hear
> nothing on the second receiver..
>
> Hence my point that the FT1000D and their ilk are being given a
substantial
> advantage over the FT1000MP and their ilk with this one box rule.
>
> 73
>
> Neil, G3RIR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules
>
>
> > Neil
> >
> > My recollection of the folklore surrounding this at the time of its
> > adoption, is that it was argued that the Ft1KD was becoming the
> > transceiver
> > of choice among DXers and contesters and that these were the folks most
> > likely to make rigs available for FD use.  I believe an extension of the
> > argument was that damage to the level of support given to FD would be a
> > consequence, were use to be disallowed.
> >
> > As I say, probably nothing more than folklore.  And anyway, those who
> > argued
> > for the proposal would surely have been motivated to do so solely in the
> > interests of the common good. ;>)
> >
> > Bob, 5B4AGN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules
> >
> >
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> Yes I agree the rule is clear but it is also clear that it gives users
of
> >> radios like FT1000D with their two independant receivers a big
advantage
> >> over users of  for example the FT1000MP where the two receiversrs are
not
> >> fully idependant and share the front end.
> >>
> >> I am not trying to use more than two receivers just trying to be on an
> > equal
> >> footing with the FT1000D users.
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> >> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:48 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules
> >>
> >>
> >> > Neil
> >> >
> >> > I'm not a member of the HFCC but the answer to your question seems to
> >> > be
> >> > unequivocally addressed in the rules you've transcribed.  You can use
> > One
> >> > transmitter and One receiver OR One transceiver.  The use of two
> >> > transceivers is therefore clearly outside the scope set by the rules.
> >> >
> >> > Bob, 5B4AGN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
> >> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 PM
> >> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] HF NFD Rules
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Could some one please help me understand a particular rule for NFD.
> >> >> Indeed
> >> >> perhaps there is someone on the hfcc who could comment.
> >> >>
> >> >> The rules state
> >> >>
> >> >> b) and (c) Restricted and Low Power sections: One transmitter and
one
> >> >> receiver or one transceiver. Both receivers in a dual receive
> > transceiver
> >> >> may be used, if desired.
> >> >>
> >> >> This rule says if you use a separate transmitter and receiver then
you
> >> >> are
> >> >> only able to use one receiver but if you use a transceiver which has
> > two
> >> >> receivers then you are allowed to use them both ie two receivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Am I allowed to use two transceivers which each have two receivers
but
> >> >> disable the trasmitter in one and disable the second receivers in
> >> >> each.
> > I
> >> >> would then still only be using two receivers as I would if they were
> >> >> in
> >> > the
> >> >> same box but completely independant as in the FT100D
> >> >>
> >> >> Neil, G3RIR
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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