[UK-CONTEST] The dreaded WAE-CW QTCs!

Fri Aug 17 03:16:13 EDT 2007

Recording ROPOCO exchanges can be done and is even more unfair.  If you 
misread a postcode and send it on incorrectly you are penalised and the 
recipient is not.  If you later change your log before you submit it, 
you are not penalised for making the mistake, but the recipient (who did 
nothing wrong) now gets penalised.

PS.  I have never entered ROPOCO and I don't record contests (yet).

Danny, G3XVR

Clive Whelan wrote:
> Well it's not fair enough ( my value judgement), but then
> neither is the use of DX clusters, but as has been pointed
> out, DARC have decided that's the way  it will be, and it is
> clearly stated in the rules. Thus there is no
> way your average Fritz is going to do it the hard way, and
> he will gladly garner his mults from cluster spots, and
> transcribe his QTCs later. I could already do this from
> within N1MM if I so desired. I have a private email from one
> of the organisers, saying that they believe that this is a
> valid and legitimate use of technology in promoting
> technical excellence. Unless there has been something lost
> in translation, I have to say I profoundly disagree.
>
>  As he said, nobody is forced to enter the contest, which
> although I regard as profoundly arrogant, is technically
> correct. At the end of the day it is their contest to run
> any way they wish. My own view is that use of DX clusters
> and recording of QTCs is a prostitution of the original aims
> and ideals of the contest. However, since it has been
> pointed out that I am not forced to enter WAE, I will
> henceforth not do so!
>
> An equally profoundly arrogant former boss of mine, was very
> fond of saying that there are no real problems in life, just
> opportunities. My personal belief therefore is that RSGB
> should grasp the opportunity presented and fill the void by
> organising a  contest as skilful and demanding as WAE once
> was. ROPOCO is one of the most demanding contests in our
> calendar, but of course is challenged by its daft time slot,
> and the ( inevitable) parochial nature of the exchange.
> Building on that and adding a "sprint" dimension could make
> for one of the most interesting contests worldwide. And,
> think for a moment, the ROPOCO style exchange automatically
> rules out recording for later transcription, as the received
> exchange has to be passed one immediately- elegant or what?
>
> Do we have the b***s for it?
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Clive
> GW3NJW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: 16 August 2007 21:16
> Cc: UK-Contest
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] The dreaded WAE-CW QTCs!
>
>
> Seems fair enough but who has got a tape recorder capable of
> 48 hour
> recording? Ferrograph used to I think!
>
> Think they need to update the info it to include digital
> recording using
> Writelog and N1MM!! Might have ago next year then! I suspect
> it's fairly
> standard practice now anyway!
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>
> Justin Snow wrote:
>   
>> http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/fedcw.htm
>> Ok so it's in the "Get Ready" part.
>> I quote
>> "*Recording QTC traffic on tape*
>> Some folks fear they will miss something and so decide to
>>     
> record QTC
>   
>> traffic on a tape or by digital recording. This is fine,
>>     
> but you still
>   
>> have to be aware of QRM and noise and ask the other
>>     
> station for repeats
>   
>> - otherwise you will not be able to copy the QTCs from
>>     
> tape later. Make
>   
>> sure you have enough audio tape for the whole contest!
>>     
> This method can
>   
>> be used also as a back-up in case you wish to go listen in
>>     
> again later."
>   
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul O'Kane wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Of course your average DL operation will be recording
>>>>         
> the whole event
>   
>>>> and transcribe the QTC's later (it's allowed in the
>>>>         
> rules!!)
>   
>>>>         
>>> There's no mention of this in the current rules at
>>> http://www.darc.de:80/referate/dx/xedcwr.htm
>>>
>>> I agree that if you don't copy an exchange or QTCs
>>> in real-time, they shouldn't count.
>>>
>>> For those of you who use SD, it handles QTCs nicely -
>>>       
> from
>   
>>> both sides. I had 100 QSOs and 201 QTCs.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI
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