[UK-CONTEST] set top box
David - M0ZLB
m0zlb at btinternet.com
Fri May 25 11:26:38 EDT 2007
Couldn't agree more but that's the way it has panned out in this country.
G3SJJ wrote:
> Disgusting
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>
>> Actually, thinking about it a bit further, if my opinion is "outdated
>> and incorrect" then can someone show me where the legislation is that a)
>> ensures that the amateur service is protected, b) all "CE" (crappy
>> European") stuff is equivalent to or better than FCC part 15 to further
>> protect the service!
>>
>> If this isn't enshrined in legislation somewhere (and lets face it, it
>> isn't) then this is the very bare minimum that RSGB and associated
>> interested parties should be striving for instead of the two highest
>> officers of the RSGB swanning off on a Dayton jolly recently!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Colin,
>>>
>>> Hmmm...things must have changed in the last 6 months or so (?)
>>>
>>> I have an HF beam in the back and noticed late last year that about
>>> 5.30pm I was receiving +6 interference especially on 20m, it was like
>>> the wife's hair dryer! At 9.30pm, it disappeared!
>>>
>>> I spent ages looking for the culprit and then thanks to friend of mine
>>> with a portable HF set, we found the problem - a set of garden lights in
>>> my neighbours garden that were on a timer system. I hadn't noticed it
>>> until the nights started to draw in and the clocks went forward.
>>>
>>> Spoke to RSGB EMC Committee - that's another story, most of them are
>>> either dead or retired, eventually got absolutely no-where so spoke to
>>> Ofcom!
>>>
>>> Quote from Ofcom - "tough, you are unprotected"
>>>
>>> Charming!
>>>
>>> So what to do? Go round to the neighbours and complain and risk them
>>> asking questions in return about the antennas (whilst also knowing that
>>> I don't have a legal leg to stand on!) or lump it!
>>>
>>> Luckily as the nights are shorter, its not so much of an issue at the
>>> moment.
>>>
>>> I believe that the CE mark should be equivalent to FCC Part 15 inasmuch
>>> as products should be able to resist RF interference and in turn, not be
>>> able to produce interference! Unfortunately it doesn't, my
>>> investigations lead me to believe that few if any products are properly
>>> tested and as we are an unprotected service, we are really buggered!
>>>
>>> I had it out with the Chairman of the RSGB EMC Committee and his
>>> attitude was very much "there's nothing we can really do", and when I
>>> really pressed him he hid behind the "I'm only a volunteer" excuse
>>> although he did ask me to join the EMC Committee but I declined as I
>>> would probably lose my temper with them!
>>>
>>> One of my friends not 7 miles away, started interfering with a mast
>>> mounted TV pre-amp when on 50mhz - he followed exactly the same course
>>> of action and got no-where - in fact the EMC Committee didn't even offer
>>> to send someone round to see if the problem could be resolved at his end
>>> which should th every least they could do!
>>>
>>> Over to you :)
>>>
>>> David
>>> M0ZLB/KG4ZLB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Colin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> A somewhat outdated and incorrect opinion I'm afraid!
>>>>
>>>> The RSGB in association with our sister IARU Societies in Region 1
>>>> managed to have the the then European Directive 89/336/EEC amended.
>>>> This through the good offices of MEP EA8AK who works closely with the
>>>> Region 1 Eurocomm Committee. Incidentally RSGB General Manager Peter
>>>> Kirby is Vice-Chairman of this committee.
>>>>
>>>> The relevant extract of the now Directive 2004/108/EC dated 15th
>>>> December 2004 states -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (2) Member States are responsible for ensuring that radiocommunications,
>>>>> including radio broadcast reception
>>>>> and the amateur radio service operating in accordance
>>>>> with International Telecommunication Union (ITU) radio
>>>>> regulations, electrical supply networks and telecommunications
>>>>> networks, as well as equipment connected
>>>>> thereto, are protected against electromagnetic disturbance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The UK Government has signed up to this agreement and Ofcom are now
>>>> responsible to uphold this Directive. Recent meetings between the RSGB
>>>> and Ofcom have served to reinforce this position and the EMC Committee
>>>> would be interested to receive reports of recent instances where this
>>>> position has not been followed.
>>>>
>>>> In brief Peter, if Virgin Media don't do anything about it contact the
>>>> EMC and seek their advice.
>>>>
>>>> By the way I apparently cause problems to my Virgin Media/NTL Samsung
>>>> DTB but only when running 400W to my long wire. Really asking for trouble!
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Colin, G3PSM
>>>>
>>>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, due to the abysmal lack of protections that we have in
>>>>> this country, its unlikely Virgin will waste any time on your neighbours
>>>>> equipment as the ball lies fairly and squarely in your court - now in
>>>>> the US, the set top box would be classed as unable to prevent the
>>>>> intrusion of spurious interference and the responsibility would lie with
>>>>> the neighbours equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair? Course not!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything we can do about it? Course not!
>>>>>
>>>>> Reason for the problem? - many years of negligent management by our
>>>>> National Society and their failure to secure us "protected status" like
>>>>> our US friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> And don't bother with Ofcom - as we meekly accepted a free licence for
>>>>> life the concept of contract law went straight out of the window! We
>>>>> don't pay any "consideration" for our licence and that therefore negates
>>>>> any supposed contract - they don't legally have to provide, supply or
>>>>> protect us in any way!
>>>>>
>>>>> Another example of piss poor administration of our hobby!
>>>>>
>>>>> Try a good low pass filter though!
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>> M0ZLB/KG4ZLB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> peter Jackson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this isn't contest info but don't know where to send it. I have a tvi problem with a neighbour when I am on 80M, not sure about other bands yet. I come through on his Virgin Media set top box. I feel sure Virgin will have to come and sort it out but I wondered if there is a filter made for this purpose. I don't kown what frequencies the signals come in at. Any help would be appriciated.
>>>>>> 73 Pete G3KNU
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