[UK-CONTEST] set top box
G3SJJ
g3sjj at btinternet.com
Fri May 25 11:35:58 EDT 2007
I was referring to your wording and the whole tenure of of your posting.
Chris G3SJJ
David - M0ZLB wrote:
> Couldn't agree more but that's the way it has panned out in this country.
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> G3SJJ wrote:
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>> Disgusting
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>> Chris G3SJJ
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>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
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>>> Actually, thinking about it a bit further, if my opinion is "outdated
>>> and incorrect" then can someone show me where the legislation is that a)
>>> ensures that the amateur service is protected, b) all "CE" (crappy
>>> European") stuff is equivalent to or better than FCC part 15 to further
>>> protect the service!
>>>
>>> If this isn't enshrined in legislation somewhere (and lets face it, it
>>> isn't) then this is the very bare minimum that RSGB and associated
>>> interested parties should be striving for instead of the two highest
>>> officers of the RSGB swanning off on a Dayton jolly recently!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Colin,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm...things must have changed in the last 6 months or so (?)
>>>>
>>>> I have an HF beam in the back and noticed late last year that about
>>>> 5.30pm I was receiving +6 interference especially on 20m, it was like
>>>> the wife's hair dryer! At 9.30pm, it disappeared!
>>>>
>>>> I spent ages looking for the culprit and then thanks to friend of mine
>>>> with a portable HF set, we found the problem - a set of garden lights in
>>>> my neighbours garden that were on a timer system. I hadn't noticed it
>>>> until the nights started to draw in and the clocks went forward.
>>>>
>>>> Spoke to RSGB EMC Committee - that's another story, most of them are
>>>> either dead or retired, eventually got absolutely no-where so spoke to
>>>> Ofcom!
>>>>
>>>> Quote from Ofcom - "tough, you are unprotected"
>>>>
>>>> Charming!
>>>>
>>>> So what to do? Go round to the neighbours and complain and risk them
>>>> asking questions in return about the antennas (whilst also knowing that
>>>> I don't have a legal leg to stand on!) or lump it!
>>>>
>>>> Luckily as the nights are shorter, its not so much of an issue at the
>>>> moment.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the CE mark should be equivalent to FCC Part 15 inasmuch
>>>> as products should be able to resist RF interference and in turn, not be
>>>> able to produce interference! Unfortunately it doesn't, my
>>>> investigations lead me to believe that few if any products are properly
>>>> tested and as we are an unprotected service, we are really buggered!
>>>>
>>>> I had it out with the Chairman of the RSGB EMC Committee and his
>>>> attitude was very much "there's nothing we can really do", and when I
>>>> really pressed him he hid behind the "I'm only a volunteer" excuse
>>>> although he did ask me to join the EMC Committee but I declined as I
>>>> would probably lose my temper with them!
>>>>
>>>> One of my friends not 7 miles away, started interfering with a mast
>>>> mounted TV pre-amp when on 50mhz - he followed exactly the same course
>>>> of action and got no-where - in fact the EMC Committee didn't even offer
>>>> to send someone round to see if the problem could be resolved at his end
>>>> which should th every least they could do!
>>>>
>>>> Over to you :)
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> M0ZLB/KG4ZLB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Colin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> A somewhat outdated and incorrect opinion I'm afraid!
>>>>>
>>>>> The RSGB in association with our sister IARU Societies in Region 1
>>>>> managed to have the the then European Directive 89/336/EEC amended.
>>>>> This through the good offices of MEP EA8AK who works closely with the
>>>>> Region 1 Eurocomm Committee. Incidentally RSGB General Manager Peter
>>>>> Kirby is Vice-Chairman of this committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> The relevant extract of the now Directive 2004/108/EC dated 15th
>>>>> December 2004 states -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Member States are responsible for ensuring that radiocommunications,
>>>>>> including radio broadcast reception
>>>>>> and the amateur radio service operating in accordance
>>>>>> with International Telecommunication Union (ITU) radio
>>>>>> regulations, electrical supply networks and telecommunications
>>>>>> networks, as well as equipment connected
>>>>>> thereto, are protected against electromagnetic disturbance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The UK Government has signed up to this agreement and Ofcom are now
>>>>> responsible to uphold this Directive. Recent meetings between the RSGB
>>>>> and Ofcom have served to reinforce this position and the EMC Committee
>>>>> would be interested to receive reports of recent instances where this
>>>>> position has not been followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> In brief Peter, if Virgin Media don't do anything about it contact the
>>>>> EMC and seek their advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way I apparently cause problems to my Virgin Media/NTL Samsung
>>>>> DTB but only when running 400W to my long wire. Really asking for trouble!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin, G3PSM
>>>>>
>>>>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, due to the abysmal lack of protections that we have in
>>>>>> this country, its unlikely Virgin will waste any time on your neighbours
>>>>>> equipment as the ball lies fairly and squarely in your court - now in
>>>>>> the US, the set top box would be classed as unable to prevent the
>>>>>> intrusion of spurious interference and the responsibility would lie with
>>>>>> the neighbours equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair? Course not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything we can do about it? Course not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reason for the problem? - many years of negligent management by our
>>>>>> National Society and their failure to secure us "protected status" like
>>>>>> our US friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And don't bother with Ofcom - as we meekly accepted a free licence for
>>>>>> life the concept of contract law went straight out of the window! We
>>>>>> don't pay any "consideration" for our licence and that therefore negates
>>>>>> any supposed contract - they don't legally have to provide, supply or
>>>>>> protect us in any way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another example of piss poor administration of our hobby!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try a good low pass filter though!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> M0ZLB/KG4ZLB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> peter Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know this isn't contest info but don't know where to send it. I have a tvi problem with a neighbour when I am on 80M, not sure about other bands yet. I come through on his Virgin Media set top box. I feel sure Virgin will have to come and sort it out but I wondered if there is a filter made for this purpose. I don't kown what frequencies the signals come in at. Any help would be appriciated.
>>>>>>> 73 Pete G3KNU
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