[UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......

Sun Apr 20 09:42:38 EDT 2008

I had intended no further comment on this but the final paragraph of Mr
Allwood's posting is uncalled for.

1) I made no personal insult; I purely expressed a genuinely held belief.

2) I expressed an opinion that I found elements of the original posting
offensive.

3) I strongly believe that inflicting pain and suffering on animals
especially when the animal is unable to remove itself from the source
(collar in this case) is unjustified under any circumstances.

4) I stated that I would not wish to knowingly associate with someone who
held such measures as acceptable in the same way as I would not wish to
knowingly associate with a persistently abusive or violent individual.

If others have to resort to personal abuse in reply to this then it is to
their detriment.  I will make no further comment.

David Barber

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Les Allwood
Sent: 20 April 2008 11:57
To: UK Contest
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......

David

I read the original post and found nothing offensive in it. Of course, the 
nuances of the written word can sometimes be misinterpreted, but I detected 
no "apparent amusement" in the description of the device. It sounds very 
much a method of last resort in an attempt to train a difficult dog. 
Unpleasant as the shock may be, it must be better to learn from a few of 
these, than to be shot for livestock-worrying.

In any case, the description of the system and its potential impact on 
amateur radio were undoubtedly useful to some country dwellers, so it was 
entirely appropriate to air it on this forum.

If your "outrage" as indicated in your final paragraph is indeed genuine, 
you must lead a very lonely life, constantly avoiding people you perceive to

have offended your sensibilities. No doubt I am now added to the "no 
contact" list!!

Les Allwood, G3VQO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Barber" <david.barber at dbelectronics.co.uk>
To: "'Adrian Rees'" <rees.a at btconnect.com>; "'UK Contest Reflector'" 
<uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......

> What was particularly offensive about your original posting was your
> apparent amusement at the result of the "shock" to the animal and the
> ability to cause this suffering by transmission.
>
> It is a shame that none of the others who contacted me directly with
> messages of support had the conviction of their views to challenge you
> openly.
>
> Let this be an end to it, I will not be contacting you off list and indeed

> I
> hope I never have the misfortune to encounter you under any circumstances.
>
> David Barber
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Rees
> Sent: 19 April 2008 22:44
> To: david.barber at dbelectronics.co.uk; 'UK Contest Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......
>
> Two points here:
>
> 1. I was making the point about RF interfering with the collar, and the
> loops interfering with HF Radio, which I consider relevant.
>
> 2. If you want to discuss the merits of Dog training, we can take it off
> list, as I'd be interested to hear your opinion, however we have chosen to
> use this method of training our dog, as a last resort. We live in a rural
> area of Wales, its Lambing season, and last year the dog developed a taste
> for Lambs, Ducks and anything else that moved. The Dog has been to a Pet
> Psychiatrist, numerous trainers, training camps etc. This is our last
> resort. If this doesn't work, we have to contain him on a permanent basis,
> and eventually he'll escape. When he escapes, how long he'll last without
> being shot, I don't know, particularly this time of year.
>
> As I said, this is our last resort, and our patience and the local farmers
> patience is running out, so I would be happy to hear your suggestions on
> training an errant hound off list.
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian Rees
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Barber [mailto:david.barber at dbelectronics.co.uk]
> Sent: 19 April 2008 20:56
> To: 'UK Contest Reflector'
> Cc: 'Adrian Rees'
> Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......
>
>
> I detest these units (torture collar) and those that consider their use an
> acceptable form of "training" for their pets.
>
> I hope others will feel equal abhorrence at your "useful" information and
> apparent amusement at the "shock!" delivered.
>
> Sorry if this offends but I feel VERY strongly on such matters.
>
> David
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Rees
> Sent: 19 April 2008 20:20
> To: 'UK Contest Reflector'
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Electric Fence Noise and Other Problems......
>
> Hi all
> I have installed an electric fence system to contain the family hound from
> visiting the chickens and ducks. Unlike other "Industrial Strength"
> agricultural systems this works by the hound being fitted with a collar
> (which contains some sort of 8 - 16KHz RX) and a number of loops of wire,
> each loop enclosing the ducks or chickens in their runs. The hound
> approaches the perimeter wire, and he gets a bleeping noise from the 
> collar,
> any closer and he gets an electric shock (and judging by his response it's

> a
> shock alright!).
>
> Anyway, this afternoon I was tuning and testing out some new open wire
> feeders. With 100w of RF the hound was jumping around the living room in
> time to a CQ 80 call from myself. In addition the fence creates electrical
> noise across the HF spectrum. Anyway, I'll switch the collar and fence off
> whilst on the radio, but I though this info may be useful to someone.....
>
> Adrian MW1LCR
>
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