[UK-CONTEST] Nostalgia

Tue Sep 16 15:04:49 EDT 2008

I am younger than Alan 5B4AHJ but I was A2025..
That is if my memory has not lost a few bytes over the years.
Still have the G3HSC Morse records purchased at the RSGB show at Royal 
Horticultural Society Halls somewhere.
Must put them on Ebay as no longer have a record player!
73
Mike
5B4AGX

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>   1. Re: Contest cheats? and Nostalgia (Roger Parsons)
>   2. Re: Contest cheats? (Clive Whelan)
>   3. Precipitation Static (Pete Lindsay)
>   4. Re: Contest cheats? (Peter Hobbs)
>   5. Info on Wintest (CHRIS COLCLOUGH)
>   6. Re: Nostalgia (Alan Jubb - 5B4AHJ)
>   7. SWL A numbers (gm4fam at tiscali.co.uk)
>   8. SWL A numbers (Nigel G3TXF)
>   9. Re: SWL A numbers (Kerr, Prof.  K.M.)
>  10. Re: SWL A numbers (Steve GW4BLE)
>  11. Re: Contest cheats? and Nostalgia (Andy GD0TEP)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Roger Parsons <ve3zi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats? and Nostalgia
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> I'm not sure it applies only to contests. Some of you may know that I am a 
> 160m fanatic. I have always felt very uncomfortable about the stations who 
> arrange a sked with some rare country. Particularly those stations who 
> know they are loud (hmm) everywhere and that the distant station will 
> almost certainly hear them. So all that has to get across is the report in 
> one direction for a 'QSO'. That's cheating in my book.
>
> On the nostalgia subject I appear to be even older than most - I was 
> A2693.
>
> 73 Roger
> VE3ZI/G3RBP
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:05:34 +0000
> From: Clive Whelan <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?
> To: UK Contest reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Peter
>
>
> Could anyone doubt the correctness of what you say?
>
> I have from time to time used ON4KST as a window on 6m conditions,
> although frankly the whole experience leaves me with a nasty taste in my
> mouth. I have seen with my own eyes DX QSOs ( usually MS/JT6)
> effectively completed via talkback on KST, and "if I ruled the world"
> these QSOs would be expunged. I have no real experience of it in
> contests on VHF, but it must surely be the case that equivalent abuse
> takes place?.
>
> I have also used DX clusters on HF, in contests where they are not
> specifically proscribed, although frankly I regard them as an
> abhorrence. There is incontrovertible evidence via DQs in e.g. CQWW (
> the tip of the iceberg?) that the facility is abused by stations who
> should be in the single operator assisted category using the spots.
> Sadly, certain HF contest sponsors effectively acknowledge that catching
> the cheats is almost impossible, and therefore allow use of DX clusters
> as the default entry category. Examples are WAEDC and the Russian
> contest. Of course DARC claim that it is, rather, a valid use of
> technology ( ja naturlich!).
>
> Sadly we cannot un-invent the technology nor can we rewind personal
> ethics to a former state. Perhaps this is a good thing? We must
> therefore " consider our positions", and my own is that I no longer have
> much interest in competing per se, and I regard contests largely as a
> vehicle via which to practise the art of contesting which I have now
> been doing for nigh on 50 years. Perhaps I'll  be good in another 50
> years ;-)
>
> 73
>
> Clive
> GW3NJW
>
>
>
> Peter Hobbs wrote:
>> Ray
>>
>> I think we're on a slippery slope here, mate.  Any off-air exchange that
>> makes the difference between a QSO and NO QSO has to be, in my view, just 
>> as
>> serious as passing the full QSO data.  Once an external line of
>> communication has been established, almost anything can fall into that
>> category, e.g. locator, which a lot of peeps include as part of their
>> message sig.  I'm sure the RSGB Contest Committee has discussed all this
>> extensively and taken a similar view - hence their position on the 
>> subject,
>> which is really the only one they could reasonably be expected to take.
>>
>> I  don't know if you plan to make it down to HFC, but that's probably a
>> suitable forum for more detailed discussion.
>>
>> 73
>> Peter G3LET
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray James" <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>; "Peter Hobbs"
>> <peter at tilgate.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?
>>
>>
>>
>>> --- On Mon, 15/9/08, Peter Hobbs <peter at tilgate.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do I gather then that cheating is now acceptable in V/UHF/Microwave
>>>> contests?
>>>>
>>>> 73Peter G3LET
>>>>
>>> Absolutely not Peter and anyone or group found guilty should be subject 
>>> to
>>> the following action.
>>> A warning plus points deduction for minor breaches and subsequent
>>> disqualification if correction in future events does not take place.
>>> Disqualification, full stop, for serious breaches.
>>>
>>> I define a minor breach as for example a station in Stornaway arranges a
>>> schedule on 70cm with a station in Essex and after arranging the 
>>> schedule
>>> they go on to "talk" to the station in a way that would assist the
>>> completion of the contact.
>>> This could be saying for example, "just needing the seriel number again"
>>> A major breach would include actual exchange of contact information "off
>>> air".
>>>
>>> Any contest station in receipt of non-requested feedback should inform 
>>> the
>>> sender that not observing contest rules and to try again later to
>>> establish contact as the contact in progress has now been made void by
>>> feedback.
>>> This occurs more often than not by a non-contester giving points away
>>> rather than a competitor.
>>> I do this within and outwith contests as per the guidelines on ON4KST.
>>>
>>> 73 Ray GM4CXM
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:36:43 +0100
> From: "Pete Lindsay" <psl at plcg.org>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Precipitation Static
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> During the this years VHF NFD and the 2m Trophy we were again plagued by
> static rain or "precipitation static" QRM. During NFD it affected 6m, 4m 
> and
> 2m at EI9E/P.
> Looking at some of the comments in the claimed scores, many others had the
> same problem.
> I see that in the states someone sells a "static buster" (
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/buster.html ). Has anyone ever tried
> one of these or anything similar in an attempt to eliminate this type of
> annoying QRM?
>
>
> Pete, G4CLA.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:45:19 +0100
> From: "Peter Hobbs" <peter at tilgate.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?
>
>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Could anyone doubt the correctness of what you say?
>>
>
>
> Regretfully, there do seem to be rather more than a few Clive.  Probably 
> the
> reason why I (also after 50 yrs of contesting) tend to look forward to
> BERU - one of the last havens of tranquility where you don't have to 
> wonder
> what the other guy is up to.
>
> Just hark at us now!
>
> 73
> Peter G3LET
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:20 +0000 (GMT)
> From: CHRIS COLCLOUGH <chrisg1vdp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Info on Wintest
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> Hello gents,
> ?
> Probably a little off topic but I am looking to move from N1MM to WInTest 
> for our DX/Contest group and I am looking for some information. I know 
> many of you use it and wondered if it is worth the investment? Is it easy 
> to set up in a network? We will be entering CQWW again as a multi/multi 
> and this is one of our reasons for looking at it.
> ?
> I am sold, but I just need to convince a couple of the other guys.
>
> Chris Colclough
> G1VDP
>
> Tel: 024 7673 5940
> Mob: 07505 359709
> QTHR
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:05:45 +0300
> From: "Alan Jubb - 5B4AHJ" <g3pmr at shacklog.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Nostalgia
> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> I must be even older, I was A2374!
> 73
> Alan 5B4AHJ
>
>>
>>
>> On the nostalgia subject I appear to be even older than most - I was 
>> A2693.
>>
>> 73 Roger
>> VE3ZI/G3RBP
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:46:14 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
> From: "gm4fam at tiscali.co.uk" <gm4fam at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] SWL A numbers
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Mine was A 7460 [early 1971].
>
> Following today's market correction have now downgraded it to 7.460.
>
> 73 Cris
> GM4FAM
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:19:12 +0100
> From: "Nigel G3TXF" <nigel at G3TXF.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] SWL A numbers
> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Cris : Ooops.went to wrong reflector!
>
>
>
> A-3107 (about 1961) ... plus, of course, G-10130 (ISWL)...
>
> <http://www.g3txf.com/G3TXF%20at%20home/G3TXF/G10130.html>
> http://www.g3txf.com/G3TXF%20at%20home/G3TXF/G10130.html
>
> 73 - Nigel G3TXF
>
> __,_._,___
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:07:48 +0100
> From: "Kerr, Prof.  K.M." <k.kerr at abdn.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] SWL A numbers
> To: UK Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Blimey! All this nostalgia. A sign of the greying amateur population, at 
> least those chipping in on this reflector, I suspect. It always used to be 
> said, and I definitely subscribe to the notion, that 'serving your time' 
> as an SWL was no bad thing. I rather overdid that phase of my amateur 
> radio career as A8482 (from late 1972 I think) then BRS35943.....10 years 
> until I got round to taking the test.
> .......and despite feeding him allegedly insufficient tea, wine, and every 
> food group known to the human stomach (only kidding) I did not manage to 
> get many of the answers to the nostalgia quiz from its author, as we 
> wrestled in the rain and wind with my new 40m 4-square (which 
> WORKS!).....thanks WOJ
>
>>From Cris FAM's post I notice a jump of about one thousand in the A-number 
>>between ourselves in a year. Did the RSGB really recruit at that rate in 
>>them days?
>
> Keith GM4YXI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Nigel G3TXF
> Sent: 16 September 2008 10:19
> To: UK Contest Reflector
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] SWL A numbers
>
> Cris : Ooops.went to wrong reflector!
>
>
>
> A-3107 (about 1961) ... plus, of course, G-10130 (ISWL)...
>
> <http://www.g3txf.com/G3TXF%20at%20home/G3TXF/G10130.html>
> http://www.g3txf.com/G3TXF%20at%20home/G3TXF/G10130.html
>
> 73 - Nigel G3TXF
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:59:15 -0000
> From: "Steve GW4BLE" <GW4BLE at btconnect.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] SWL A numbers
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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>
> Mine was A6148 and GW-13149 for ISWL, issued around 1967-ish.
>
> I recall entering the SWL section of the first WAB contest and claiming a
> higher score than any of the transmitter entrants, old John G3ABG (SK) was
> suitably impressed!
>
> 73
>
> Steve
> GW4BLE
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:29:44 +0100
> From: "Andy GD0TEP" <andy at gd0tep.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats? and Nostalgia
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> I saw (or heard) such an event on 4m/70mhz. A SV station who was pinning 
> my
> S meter yet couldn't hear me (or plenty of others for that matter) tried 
> to
> work a guy in CU, quite an event on 70mhz and perhaps a record for the VHF
> bands... BUT, I remain convinced as others do that it wasn't a QSO. The CU
> station gave a reasonable report, i.e. he could hear him, just. The SV
> simply judged his TX periods to match... Almost. He doubled a little bit,
> but he seemed happy that the QSO was complete.
>
> Such a shame as had it really worked, it would have been a distact record
> for sure.
>
> 73
> Andy
> http://gd0tep.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Roger Parsons
> Sent: 15 September 2008 20:00
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats? and Nostalgia
>
> I'm not sure it applies only to contests. Some of you may know that I am a
> 160m fanatic. I have always felt very uncomfortable about the stations who
> arrange a sked with some rare country. Particularly those stations who 
> know
> they are loud (hmm) everywhere and that the distant station will almost
> certainly hear them. So all that has to get across is the report in one
> direction for a 'QSO'. That's cheating in my book.
>
> On the nostalgia subject I appear to be even older than most - I was 
> A2693.
>
> 73 Roger
> VE3ZI/G3RBP
>
>
>
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