[UK-CONTEST] 80m CCs : tracking your club\'s activity (typocorrected!)

[g3ory at lineone.net]

Guys,

Could I make a couple of comments about the present debate regarding 
the rules for the 80m CC. The words 'baby' and 'bathwater' come to mind 
here.

1. If the rules are changed to make the contest rules much more 
similar to the AFS contests (4 per team, 50 mile rule etc etc) then the 
same Clubs will win both contests. Lichfield have done phenomenally 
well for many years in AFS with these rules in place.  The 80m CC has 
always been won by other Clubs and I feel this is no bad thing.

2. In my view the unlimited team numbers is a brilliant concept for 
one simple reason. You can imagine the scene down at the local Club as 
you struggle to get a team together. You approach a member who has a 
decent sized garden and a good aerial for 80. If AFS rules applied, he 
could say to you "Ah, no, Buggins is a far better operator than me, he 
would be a much better member for the Club team".  With the rules as 
they are you can say to him "Come on Fred - every QSO counts. Just come 
on the air, work half a dozen stations and bang in an entry. I will 
sort out the entry for you if you let me have the details". It is the 
way in which peer pressure can be brought to bear within the Club 
(whatever its size),  which is the keystone of the present rules and 
the runaway success of the format.  Hence my point about the baby and 
the bathwater.

73 Bob
G3ORY



>----Original Message----
>From: dave at davesergeant.com
>Date: 13/08/2009 10:44 
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Subj: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80m CCs : tracking your club\&#39;s activity	
(typocorrected!)
>
>On 13 Aug 2009 at 10:03, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we could hear some reactions from members of other clubs. 
Do
>> they think it is ok for Three As (and other contest clubs) to 
recruit in
>> this way?
>
>Well as one of the little sprats.....
>
>I must say I have been disheartened by the negative response to 
Dave's 
>comments and similarly I was a bit shocked by 3A's recruitment 
drive. 
>Maybe it is per se a shortcoming in the CC's format in that there is 
no 
>limit on the number of entrants from a club so that inevitably those 
>clubs who can put on many stations are always going to be way ahead 
of 
>others. A change to the AFS format of 4 entrants per team would 
largely 
>solve this.
>
>Here in Bracknell we have very few active CW ops and even attempts 
to 
>get folks interested in the SSB legs has been pretty unsuccessful. A 
>combination of most of our members being unable to put up any 
>respectable size antennas and general lack of interest in hf 
contests. 
>We do have a number of 'country members', those who came along to 
>meetings regularly while they lived in Bracknell and wish to 
maintain 
>their support for the club. One of those, not having joined a new 
local 
>club, regularly supports us in CC, but is significantly more than 50 
>miles away. I think it is important to continue to allow such 
members 
>to enter CC, but I would draw the line at bringing people in who 
have 
>no direct affiliation with a club and are joining in solely to take 
>part in these events. Ex-University people is also a grey area - I 
>suppose I could set myself up with a team of other friends as the 
>'University of Southampton' team, even though G3KMI and the club no 
>longer exists and it is nearly 40 years since I and my friends left. 
>You have to be reasonable.
>
>So I would strongly suggest, maybe for 2010, that teams are limited 
to 
>4 members max, fully paid up (not honorary) members of that club, 
and 
>that there is no 50 mile rule.
>
>But I guess my views are contrary to many on this reflector..
>
>73 Dave G3YMC
>
>http://www.davesergeant.com
>
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