[UK-CONTEST] Death to the cluster!

[Rob Harrison]

In tears, I suspect.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>
To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Death to the cluster!


>
> Bob
>
> I suspect we are confused together.
>
> What a dichotomy!  On the one hand, we seek good manners and a high 
> standard
> of operating both within contests and without.  On the other, we face a
> plethora of aids, which empower the untalented.  Cluster, skimmer, code
> readers, keyboard senders etc.
>
> Finesse is becoming a thoroughly under represented commodity.  Where will 
> it
> all end?
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
> 2009/12/10 Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Now I'm confused.
>>
>> Aiming for the top is a fine ideal, but at any cost is not. That's all 
>> I'm
>> saying. Maybe it didn't come over like that.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob G8HGN
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Henderson" <bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
>> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:06 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Death to the cluster!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well I don't know about modern society old chap but let's not forget 
>>> we're
>>> talking about contesting.  Doesn't wanting to come first carry an 
>>> element
>>> of
>>> legitimacy therein?
>>>
>>> Perhaps I'm confused.
>>>
>>> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>
>>> 2009/12/10 Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>
>>>  Roger,
>>>>
>>>> Sadly that's not the clusters fault, more the "me" factor, and blow
>>>> anyone
>>>> else. But in our "modern" society "I" come first to the detriment of 
>>>> all
>>>> others. Seeing the other chaps point of view doesn't occur to them, 
>>>> just
>>>> get
>>>> you in the log.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Bob G8HGN
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roger G3SXW" <g3sxw at btinternet.com>
>>>> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Death to the cluster!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > At a rare station (eg VooDudes) cluster can cut the QSO rate in half.
>>>> This
>>>> > is a recent phenomenon: many 'operators' have no clue what they're >
>>>> doing,
>>>> > just hitting the button to send their call-sign continuously. Then 
>>>> > the
>>>> > station to whom I reply does not hear me go back to him through the
>>>> bedlam
>>>> > so I have to send the exchange 3-4 times. This kills the operating 
>>>> > fun
>>>> for
>>>> > me. More recently (especially on 40 mtrs) I've had no option but to >
>>>> QSY.
>>>> > Then I get a few minutes of sensible QSO rate, then the bedlam starts 
>>>> >  >
>>>> all
>>>> > over again. I sometimes find that I QSY every ten minutes. Plain 
>>>> > daft!
>>>> > I
>>>> > realise it's horses for courses: for a non-rare station it might 
>>>> > help.
>>>> But
>>>> > Cluster users need to put brain in gear before starting their motor.
>>>> > Cluster
>>>> > does help us to find mults too, but on balance I nowadays wish it had
>>>> > never
>>>> > been invented. Without it I guess that some 20+% more people could 
>>>> > get
>>>> > into
>>>> > our logs: more QSOs, better scores, our score would also benefit, we 
>>>> >  >
>>>> have
>>>> > more fun and so are more likely to DXpedition again the following 
>>>> > year.
>>>> > 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
>>>> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:28 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Death to the cluster!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: <mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> However if we can conclude that overall more QSOs are being made
>>>> >>> as a result of cluster spots, we must be conscious that this is
>>>> >>> strengthening the security of not only contests and maintaining
>>>> >>> interest but also our right to have access to the bands.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I conclude that cluster spots tend to reduce QSO numbers because
>>>> >> fewer people call CQ, and fewer people search the bands.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 73,
>>>> >> Paul EI5DI
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