[UK-CONTEST] RSGB CC Contests and RSGB Membership

Ray James gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Feb 12 18:36:12 EST 2009 

Oh dear,
Kaleidoscope cough time.

73 Ray GM4CXM
 


--- On Thu, 12/2/09, Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:

> From: Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB CC Contests and RSGB Membership
> To: 
> Cc: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Date: Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 11:19 PM
> Well said, and I fully agree Steve. It is even cheaper now
> since, of 
> course, we don't even have to pay £15 a year for our
> licence.
> 
> As regards volunteer work and time, Steve will know I have
> been there 
> and got the T Shirt! Of course you are expected to be
> "on duty" 24 hours 
> a day!
> 
> Thanks for all your efforts over the years!
> 
> Chris G3SJJ
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Knowles wrote:
> > Many (well, some [ I hope] ) will know me as a member
> of the Contests 
> > Committee.  However, this posting is outside the
> framework of the Committee 
> > and represents only my personal opinion!
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> > No-one is being turned away from contesting!  Anyone
> can take part in RSGB 
> > contests, even if they're not an RSGB member.  If
> they keep their own score 
> > they can see how they are doing with respect to the
> others.  They just don't 
> > get listed in the results table or qualify for awards.
>  And even if their 
> > efforts in the 80mCC series don't count for their
> club they can still take 
> > part and have a good time!
> >
> > We have one school of people saying "Why should
> we be RSGB members when we 
> > are members of an affiliated society?" and
> another saying "We are RSGB 
> > members, why should we have to affiliate our
> club?"  It seems that everybody 
> > wants everything but no-one is prepared to pay!
> >
> > Well, unfortunately nothing is free!  Certificates
> cost money to print and 
> > deliver - around £2 each at present - and we get
> through many hundreds each 
> > year.  Trophies cost even more in terms of
> maintenance, engraving, insurance 
> > etc.  All this has to be paid for out of the
> subscriptions of MEMBERS! 
> > Committee volunteers give massively of their time and
> money - few ever claim 
> > all the expenses to which they are entitled (and if
> they did they would be 
> > paid by MEMBERS) - but they do it for the benefit of
> the RSGB and its 
> > MEMBERS.
> >
> > Outside the narrow world of contesting the RSGB works
> continually to protect 
> > our hobby against the predatory inroads of commercial
> radio, to preserve and 
> > even expand our frequency allocations, to improve our
> licencing conditions, 
> > to establish standards for emc etc. etc.  All this is
> paid for out of 
> > MEMBERS' subscriptions, yet EVERYONE benefits.
> >
> > I hesitate to use the term 'freeloader' but,
> even without taking into 
> > account the concessional rates, if anyone can show me
> anybody who can prove 
> > he has less than 80p disposable income per week (one
> third of a pint of 
> > beer, one sixth of a packet of cigarettes or less than
> the cheapest cost of 
> > one journey on a London bus), but who can afford a rig
> and somewhere to hang 
> > an aerial, then I'LL pay his sub for a year!
> >
> > When I went to join my local radio club as a
> 16-yr-old, still at school, the 
> > first thing given to me (after the welcoming
> handshake) was an application 
> > form for RSGB membership, and rightly so.  No less now
> than then, we need a 
> > strong National Society and we should all be doing
> everything we can to 
> > support RSGB.  That includes ensuring that everyone
> who is interested in 
> > contesting is fully involved in everything the Society
> can offer ... but as 
> > a MEMBER!
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Steve   G3UFY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Keith Martin G0GFQ"
> <keith at g0gfq.com>
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB CC Contests and RSGB
> Membership
> >
> >
> > I must say that I totally agree with Peter, I feel the
> time has come to look
> > at these 2 contests in a similar light being as the
> club aspect is at it's
> > core. To expect every individual for a CLUB orientated
> contest to require
> > RSGB membership just to participate is out dated and
> short-sighted, when the
> > group itself is already affiliated in my opinion.
> >
> > The AFS and the 80m CC contests are the ideal medium
> to generate interest
> > and act as an introduction to contesting for our newer
> licensee members. It
> > seems a bit of a double standard to me that we as
> course providers are
> > encouraged by the RSGB to bring new people into every
> aspect of this hobby.
> > Yet we're told to turn them away from exploring
> the joys of contesting
> > within the CLUB embodiment until you're a RSGB
> member!!
> >
> > If any contest was the ideal vehicle as an
> introduction it must be the 80m
> > CC, as it now spreads itself over 7 months and has 3
> different aspects/modes
> > of the hobby covered. If anything the CC should be the
> one to implement the
> > rule 1(b) as it provides the most sustained
> opportunity for new operators to
> > cut their teeth in contests!
> >
> > Not everyone can afford £44 a year despite what has
> been said on here
> > previously, remember you need new blood in any sport
> or hobby for it's
> > continuation!
> >
> > When you are first interested in amateur radio
> you'll join up with your
> > local club for the info required and then probably
> courses. Become a serious
> > about your contesting if not already you'll
> probably join and support your
> > National Society which means hobby remains...job done!
> >
> > Time for a rule amendment I feel...
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Keith "GØGFQ"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> > [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of Peter Hobbs
> > Sent: 11 February 2009 20:48
> > To: UK Contest reflector
> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: RSGB CC Contests and RSGB
> Membership
> >
> > (Sorry, went to Justin and not the reflector)
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think anyone is arguing that the rules
> aren't clear as written. It
> >  just looks as though something has slipped through
> the cracks here -
> > there's
> >  no apparently good reason why AFS rule 1(b) (which
> clearly states that RSGB
> >  membership by individual club members is not
> required) should not apply to
> >  the CCs.  After all, the aims of both events are very
> similar.
> >
> > 73, Peter G3LET
> >
> >   
> >>> Roger et al,
> >>> The requirement to be an RSGB and affiliated
> society member is nothing
> >>> new.  I suggest that it might be a good idea
> to read the rules of
> >>> contests that one is intending to enter!
> >>>
> >>> Justin, G4TSH
> >>>       
> >
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