[UK-CONTEST] RSGB Contest Committee

[Chris G3SJJ]

  Whoops, I meant AE not EN. There again ... !  SJJ


On 07/08/2010 21:04, Chris G3SJJ wrote:
>  I think this is good logic Roger and support it. The shape of the exchange is important, as is the rhythm, which is why I don't like speeded up 
> bits. Can you imagine a Zone 5 exchange KWAN3ER - "G3SXW" (at 30 wpm) "Dit" (at 60 wpm) or a Zone 15 - EN - at 75 wpm, err, was that R? Shall I send 
> my callsign again?!
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> In the case of IOTA Contest, which was the original start of the thread regarding exchanges, I think it would end up in chaos, since many ops would 
> send 59(9) either because they weren't aware of the rule change, may be due to being a casual entrant, or after 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years 
> contesting, they just prefer to send the 59(9) anyway. You certainly couldn't legislate or police the not-sending of it!!
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> As regards the serial number in IOTA, at GU8D we always considered it part of the challenge of the contest. In the first few hours maintaining a 
> rate of 185 Q/H with lowish serial numbers was mentally stimulating (?!) but later on when you get spotted on 15m and get a pile up of JAs where you 
> are saying or sending 59(9) 2657 Europe 114 can get quite interesting if you want to maintain rate!
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> The contest has been going for 17 years with only the occasional problem. I don't see any reason to change that part of it.
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> Chris G3SJJ
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> On 07/08/2010 19:29, Roger G3SXW wrote:
>> Correct thinking, Paul. But let me repeat: it depends on what else is in the
>> exchange. It must be sufficient to give shape to the transmission and be
>> communicated quickly and efficiently. My example was non-island stations:
>> you send your exchange + hand back to him and all you hear is " 1 ", sent at
>> 30wpm, once. Bit daft, innit! Like in CQWW you might just hear " AE " (15
>> short-code) or 'fifteen' barked once in a foreign accent. Daft! Wherever
>> there is only ONE other element eg serial number (or zone number) then RST
>> shouldn't be dropped, IMO.
>>
>> The other issue is accuracy of logging. We already these days have higher
>> error rates (and point deductions in log-checking)as a result of snappy
>> operating, compared with the old days. There has to be a balance here
>> somewhere. But . . . each to his own! Next you will suggest swapping ONLY
>> call-signs, then it will be just a list of call-signs heard (like ISS). Then
>> 2-way contacts become 1-way. No, each contest needs individual
>> consideration. Dropping the signal-report for Sprints was sensible because
>> there is more than one exchange element AND because both call-signs must be
>> transmitted.
>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul O'Kane"<pokane at ei5di.com>
>> To:<uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 6:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB Contest Committee
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger G3SXW"<g3sxw at btinternet.com>
>>>
>>>> non-island stations with no IOTA reference to send would be
>>>> left too little to send and keep 'shape' to the QSO.
>>> QSOs in major HF contests have a simple shape.
>>> They consist of Callsign + Exchange (when you're
>>> running) or Exchange (when you're not running).
>>>
>>> RST is still exchanged only because that's the
>>> way it has always been.  Up to about 40 years
>>> ago it may have had some significance in major
>>> HF contests, just as it still has in VHF contests.
>>> However, we all know, from HF events like the
>>> Sprints, that you don't miss it when you don't
>>> expect it.
>>>
>>> All that has to happen is that the rules of
>>> any major HF event change to make the exchange
>>> of 5NN optional and, within two years, we will
>>> wonder why we kept it for so long.  The IOTA
>>> contest is an obvious candidate because it has
>>> a longer exchange than most.
>>>
>>> If Roger calls me in IOTA and I reply with
>>> G3SXW 089 EU115, I expect he will deal with it
>>> and that's all he has to type/log.  He knows
>>> that once he hears his call, the important bit
>>> (the exchange) is likely to follow.   When he
>>> replies with 132 EU5 (he's faster than me), I
>>> can deal with it.
>>>
>>> When I send my call and exchange to a non-island
>>> station, and hear nothing but 008 or 461 or 2097
>>> in return - it's no problem.  What more is there
>>> to say?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI