[UK-CONTEST] RSGB Contest Committee

[geoff plucknett]

The nearest there is to a single info exchange is something like the YU DX
contest where 5N(N) has been dropped and it just the zone exchanged. Lots of
"27", although many use R or TU as the framing element.

Geoff G4FKA

On 8 August 2010 16:49, Peter Hobbs <peter at tilgate.co.uk> wrote:

> Cris
>
> What started all this off is the laudable desire to disincentivise the
> (largely zone 15/16) channel hoggers in an event principally targetted
> at island activity.  If some of these guys should take umbrage as a
> result, then jolly goodoh I say.
>
> 73, Peter G3LET
>
> cris at gm4fam.plus.com wrote:
>
> >Roger SXW is 100% right.
> >
> >Can someone please explain to this simple soul why changing anything to
> >affect an ever increasingly well supported event will make it more popular
> >than it is already ?  Just what is wrong with IOTA's steady growth?  Has
> >any opinion been sought from non-Island operators?
> >
> >Sounds like we are on the verge of a modern-age British phenomenon ie
> >"steady chaps, this is all going too well - how can we screw it up a bit"?
> >
> >Or even the Japanese golf experience - they just loved the concept of
> >hitting a little white ball until it went into a wee hole in the grass,
> >and were getting very good at it; then some bright spark called in a
> >sports psychologist a few 1000 miles west of here to tell them what a
> >complicated game it really is, with the only predictable result.
> >
> >73 Cris
> >GM4FAM
> >
> >
> >
> >>Paul - you are repeating yourself, old man! Your case for IOTA stations
> >>may
> >>have some logic, but this is how it'd look for non-IOTAs:
> >>
> >>Me:    F5AA TEST
> >>You:   DL1AA
> >>Me:    DL1AA E  (you log 5)
> >>You:   A (I log 1)
> >>Me:    TU F5AA
> >>
> >>Pretty silly!  At bare minimum there must be (now it's me repeating) at
> >>least two exchange-elements: signal report, serial number or IOTA
> >>reference.
> >>Or force call-sign exchange at every transmission - no thanks! Or IOTA
> >>stations drop RST but non-IOTA still send it. Also pretty daft! There has
> >>never been a contest with only ONE exchange-element - for good reason!
> >>It's
> >>too late to exclude non-IOTA/non-IOTA contacts from the contest.
> >>
> >>The broader issue here is QSO rate. If we CQ with replies every five
> >>minutes
> >>then this discussion is irrelevant. But running three QSOs per minute at
> >>33wpm requires skill & accuracy and where the QSO 'shape' is essential.
> >>Let's encourage operating-skills, not revert to the old days of 'Hello
> old
> >>man, nice signal, 579 peaking S8'.
> >>
> >>Back to basics: it ain't broke, it's hugely popular, growing like
> >>wild-fire,
> >>could become the biggest contest in the world after CQWW. Let's not mess
> >>with it for minor gain! Drop it, mate!
> >>73 de Roger/G3SXW.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
> >>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:46 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB Contest Committee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Andy Cook G4PIQ" <g4piq at btinternet.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>RST adds structure and makes us look a little less
> >>>>ridiculous to non-contesters.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I'd suggest that it's precisely the meaningless
> >>>exchange of 59(9) in IOTA and other major HF
> >>>contests that makes us look ridiculous to non-
> >>>contesters and to many VHF+ contesters?
> >>>
> >>>Does anyone disagree?
> >>>
> >>>As for structure, we all know that when we call
> >>>another station and hear our callsign, we expect
> >>>to have to log whatever comes after the callsign.
> >>>None of us needs extra time to get ready - we are
> >>>contesters, and the Sprints have already shown
> >>>that "what you don't expect, you don't miss".
> >>>
> >>>At the risk of stating the obvious, the only way
> >>>to shorten the IOTA exchange is to remove one or
> >>>more of the exchange elements.
> >>>
> >>>The IOTA Reference has to stay because it affects
> >>>points and multipliers.  The leaves 5NN or Serial
> >>>to be dropped - and why drop an element that has
> >>>to be copied on-air, and can't be pre-filled by
> >>>logging software?
> >>>
> >>>Here's what the structure of an IOTA QSO would
> >>>look like.
> >>>
> >>>Me:    EI5DI TEST
> >>>You:   G2XYZ
> >>>Me:    G2XYZ 091 EU115  (you log 091 EU115)
> >>>You:   026 EU5          (I log 026 EU5)
> >>>Me:    TU EI5DI
> >>>
> >>>A change too far?  Hardly!
> >>>
> >>>73,
> >>>Paul EI5DI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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