[UK-CONTEST] Ethics & Financial restraints? (private email)

Fri Jan 15 06:26:01 PST 2010

Hi CC

How about keeping the 80m CC series just the way it is, then adding a column to the accumulated result showing the score each week divided by the number of club entrants (for each week).

I do that to see how we are doing in our small 2-3 man team, the Granta CG. 
And yes, we're a group formed with the sole intention of entering contests together.

Vy 73, Mark G4AXX

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Clive GM3POI
Sent: 15 January 2010 13:13
To: uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Ethics & Financial restraints?

You try making a team of four within 50m in Northern 
GM it's not on. I proposed to the HFCC the idea of 
having teams broken into a size of club i.e 1-3; 
4-9;10+ but it was ignored. So we have the situation 
presented to us where the Largest Club in terms of 
entries will win, go fix that. Their is no distance 
limit in the CCs so it is quite possible for a G club 
to have other countries representing it what's wrong 
with that for instance GM in a G club or F or GW in 
the same group or is it that some see their current 
size advantage being eroded.
73 Clive GM3POI
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Chandler" <g0orh at sky.com>
To: <secretary at rsgbcc.org>
Cc: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Ethics & Financial 
restraints?

> Contester's
> Without prejudice
>
> I have been contesting for many years and enjoy 
> doing so, but these
> HFCC's have completly gotten out of hand and are 
> not what they were
> originally designed for, normal inter club 
> activity. Club meaning, a
> body who hold regular meetings once or twice a 
> month at a regular
> meeting place, and have an agenda laid out, and who 
> are listed in
> RadCom. Some groups have formed  jumped on the 
> bandwagon and recruited
> contesters from hundreds of miles from their area 
> just so that they
> can put together a bigger score, this cannot be 
> right.
> The RSGB has said 50 miles is resonable for a 
> member to travel to his/
> her club venue how can this be.
> To prove my point, it now looks like Crawley club 
> has recruited DK3UZ
> who is posting scores on their behalf.
> The power levels by some op's are also 
> questionable, 100watts &
> 10watts being the required level output.
> How much longer will it before other station in EU 
> are recruited by UK
> clubs.
> The RSGB contest committee should get a grip on the 
> situation instead
> of burrying it's head in the sand,  or are 
> committee frightened of
> upsetting a few people who are taking liberties and 
> manipulating rules
> to suit themselves, (yes guys this is what it feels 
> like, a complete
> disregard of rules)
> Finally, one last thing,  can someone tell me how 
> this works!!!
> The 3 AAA's contest group have recruited GM3POI, 
> and GM3WED who post
> scores in the CC' under their banner,  but who then 
> suddenly revert
> to ORKNEY in AFS contests.
> What we want is being fair all round and each CLUB 
> on a level playing
> field.
>
> Ken..G0ORH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 21:58, <g3wvg at btinternet.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Ken..
>> Just because few people comment it doesn't 
>> necessarily mean that
>> they agree
>> with you! It could be that possibly they don’t 
>> want to get into a te
>> dious
>> discussion about level playing fields.
>>
>> Having said that, I don't really care how the 
>> results are presented.
>> I just
>> like to be active. What ever the original purpose 
>> of the CC's, they
>> certainly generate a great deal of participation. 
>> They have prompted
>> me to
>> continually improve my set-up and to use modes 
>> that were new to me.
>> I also
>> note that the standard of contest operating, in 
>> these events, is
>> gradually
>> improving.
>> Furthermore, the activity levels suggest that 
>> there is no evidence
>> that
>> others are being discouraged by the participation 
>> of contest groups.
>>
>> I don’t follow your logic re. financial resources. 
>> I would have thou
>> ght that
>> "local club" members are no different to "contest 
>> group" members in
>> this
>> respect. I know many non-contesting hams with 
>> shacks that are
>> bulging with
>> expensive equipment that I could never afford. 
>> Are you suggesting
>> that
>> there should be some kind of "means tested" 
>> category?  I do pretty
>> well in
>> the 80M contests because I have a really tall tree 
>> to the side of my
>> garden.
>> Perhaps there should be a “tree category”. Or 
>> perhaps there
>> should be an
>> “age category”.
>>
>> I guess it comes down to an attitude of mind. Some 
>> people want to
>> adjust
>> the rules to handicap the performance of others 
>> and others want to
>> improve
>> their own performance.
>>
>> Must dash ..I think there is a chopper coming into 
>> land on my level
>> playing
>> field.
>>
>> 73 Ian G3WVG (another co-founder of the 3As 
>> Contest Group. G0AAA.)
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> I'm pleased that none of the major 'Contest Group' 
>> players appear to
>> have objected
>> to my suggestion that the small groups of top 
>> operators who come
>> together solely for
>> the purpose of entering contests should be 
>> classified separately from
>> local clubs who draw
>> their contest teams from within their membership, 
>> the results speak
>> for
>> themselves.
>> I expect that most top operators first gain 
>> experience as club contest
>> operator and not as part
>> of a C.G. which consists only of experienced 
>> operators. Rather than
>> encouraging new operators
>> to contesting C.G.'s may well discourage operators 
>> of club entries who
>> find that they can't compete
>> with these groups of very experienced operators.
>>
>> I very much doubt that all amateurs have the same 
>> financial
>> restraints,
>> this is one of the beauties
>> of the hobby, there are amateurs who live in areas 
>> where there are
>> swimming pools, tennis courts
>> & helipads in the back 'gardens' & others who live 
>> in 'two up two
>> down'
>> cottages.
>> There are plenty of amateurs using equipment 
>> costing many £k's and
>> others whose entire station is
>> probably only worth a few hundred pounds. Assuming 
>> equal antennas
>> (which
>> of course is determined
>> by the size of garden & maybe value of the 
>> property) if the second
>> chap
>> is a good operator he may
>> well do better than the first, however if someone 
>> has spent £k's on
>> an
>> amplifier which enables him to
>> run considerably more than the legal power limit 
>> as some people have
>> suggested that's another matter
>> and one which the HFCC should consider as grounds 
>> for
>> disqualification.
>>
>> 73....
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> G3LVP
>>
>>
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