[UK-CONTEST] Ethics & Financial restraints?

Fri Jan 15 06:35:20 PST 2010

Ken,

What is your problem really? I see your club Newbury in the CW leg fielded 
11 stations. Three As 7 stations. We struggle to get operators. Sure you 
have many more in your club who can come on than we will ever get.

Jim G3RTE/G6AY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Chandler" <g0orh at sky.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Ethics & Financial restraints?

> Contester's
> Without prejudice
>
> I have been contesting for many years and enjoy doing so, but these
> HFCC's have completly gotten out of hand and are not what they were
> originally designed for, normal inter club activity. Club meaning, a
> body who hold regular meetings once or twice a month at a regular
> meeting place, and have an agenda laid out, and who are listed in
> RadCom. Some groups have formed  jumped on the bandwagon and recruited
> contesters from hundreds of miles from their area just so that they
> can put together a bigger score, this cannot be right.
> The RSGB has said 50 miles is resonable for a member to travel to his/
> her club venue how can this be.
> To prove my point, it now looks like Crawley club has recruited DK3UZ
> who is posting scores on their behalf.
> The power levels by some op's are also questionable, 100watts &
> 10watts being the required level output.
> How much longer will it before other station in EU are recruited by UK
> clubs.
> The RSGB contest committee should get a grip on the situation instead
> of burrying it's head in the sand,  or are committee frightened of
> upsetting a few people who are taking liberties and manipulating rules
> to suit themselves, (yes guys this is what it feels like, a complete
> disregard of rules)
> Finally, one last thing,  can someone tell me how this works!!!
> The 3 AAA's contest group have recruited GM3POI, and GM3WED who post
> scores in the CC' under their banner,  but who then  suddenly revert
> to ORKNEY in AFS contests.
> What we want is being fair all round and each CLUB on a level playing
> field.
>
> Ken..G0ORH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 21:58, <g3wvg at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken..
>> Just because few people comment it doesn't necessarily mean that
>> they agree
>> with you! It could be that possibly they don’t want to get into a te
>> dious
>> discussion about level playing fields.
>>
>> Having said that, I don't really care how the results are presented.
>> I just
>> like to be active. What ever the original purpose of the CC's, they
>> certainly generate a great deal of participation. They have prompted
>> me to
>> continually improve my set-up and to use modes that were new to me.
>> I also
>> note that the standard of contest operating, in these events, is
>> gradually
>> improving.
>> Furthermore, the activity levels suggest that there is no evidence
>> that
>> others are being discouraged by the participation of contest groups.
>>
>> I don’t follow your logic re. financial resources. I would have thou
>> ght that
>> "local club" members are no different to "contest group" members in
>> this
>> respect. I know many non-contesting hams with shacks that are
>> bulging with
>> expensive equipment that I could never afford.  Are you suggesting
>> that
>> there should be some kind of "means tested" category?  I do pretty
>> well in
>> the 80M contests because I have a really tall tree to the side of my
>> garden.
>> Perhaps there should be a “tree category”. Or perhaps there
>> should be an
>> “age category”.
>>
>> I guess it comes down to an attitude of mind. Some people want to
>> adjust
>> the rules to handicap the performance of others and others want to
>> improve
>> their own performance.
>>
>> Must dash ..I think there is a chopper coming into land on my level
>> playing
>> field.
>>
>> 73 Ian G3WVG (another co-founder of the 3As Contest Group. G0AAA.)
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> I'm pleased that none of the major 'Contest Group' players appear to
>> have objected
>> to my suggestion that the small groups of top operators who come
>> together solely for
>> the purpose of entering contests should be classified separately from
>> local clubs who draw
>> their contest teams from within their membership, the results speak
>> for
>> themselves.
>> I expect that most top operators first gain experience as club contest
>> operator and not as part
>> of a C.G. which consists only of experienced operators. Rather than
>> encouraging new operators
>> to contesting C.G.'s may well discourage operators of club entries who
>> find that they can't compete
>> with these groups of very experienced operators.
>>
>> I very much doubt that all amateurs have the same financial
>> restraints,
>> this is one of the beauties
>> of the hobby, there are amateurs who live in areas where there are
>> swimming pools, tennis courts
>> & helipads in the back 'gardens' & others who live in 'two up two
>> down'
>> cottages.
>> There are plenty of amateurs using equipment costing many £k's and
>> others whose entire station is
>> probably only worth a few hundred pounds. Assuming equal antennas
>> (which
>> of course is determined
>> by the size of garden & maybe value of the property) if the second
>> chap
>> is a good operator he may
>> well do better than the first, however if someone has spent £k's on
>> an
>> amplifier which enables him to
>> run considerably more than the legal power limit as some people have
>> suggested that's another matter
>> and one which the HFCC should consider as grounds for
>> disqualification.
>>
>> 73....
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> G3LVP
>>
>>
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