[UK-CONTEST] UKCC 2011
Chris Parnell
chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk
Mon Nov 22 12:52:59 PST 2010
As one of the stations in a poor home location IO81 I welcome the removal of multipliers from non UK stations, I would also like all non UK stations worked to be only1 point per contact, this could be truly a UK contest.
This UKCC contest has certainly encouraged many lesser capable stations to become active working on behalf their local clubs---consider Bolton Wireless: Cray Valley & my local club, Trowbridge ARC who regularly manage to get over 12 participating members to enter even if poorly sited or lacking in a "big Gun" station.
Stations sited in IO70/71/72 and many GMs, GUs etc would really appreciate the east coast stations and Midland stations spending much more time beaming North, South & West for much longer periods.
Many of my club members really appreciate working Bryn in JO03 ( a good set of ears) as this is quite often their ODX and, for them another valuable multiplier, but we all know that to be other than an "also ran" the best bet locations, to win or have a decent score ,are JO 00/01/02/03, which is why I travel to JO01 for the 70cm & 2m trophy contests with G8P.
Of course a disadvantage that certainly Trowbridge Club members and no doubt other clubs with a sizeable number of local members operating is mutual QRM, several of my club members find that much of the band is out of bounds due to the relatevily strong (even 5w) local stations blocking out stations even only 100k away.
Some of the sations only managing to work the "strong" local stations.
Stop griping and whinging, enjoy working for a good team show even if we (you) cant win--at least the band is being used.
Chris G0HFX Trowbridge & DARC
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> 1. Re: 2011 UKAC (G3RIR)
> 2. Re: 2011 UKAC multipliers (BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com)
> 3. Re: 2011 UKAC (BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com)
> 4. Re: 2011 UKAC multipliers (Paul_group)
> 5. Fulton K1550 winch parts (Ray James)
> 6. Re: Where are the G0s ? (David G3YYD)
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:02:19 -0000
> From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2011 UKAC
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> I agree with Ray and Paul and others and think that the CC have made a good
> attempt to level the playing field. I am not very well sited here in IO92
> and enjoy searching out the multipliers. It is a different skill than
> working the distance only and is well suited to VHF contests and encourages
> the less well sited.
>
> Neil, G3RIR
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> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hills
> Sent: 22 November 2010 10:29
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> Personally I agree with Paul RRA and think it is a reasonable attempt to
> level the playing field - and I say this as somone close to the South Coast.
>
> If anything it has tilted it in favour of the Midlands but I can live with
> that. After all it is a UK Activity event. Sorry you will not be there to
> give out JO03 Bryn but maybe there will be others?
>
> Ray G3HRH
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:42:20 EST
> From: BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2011 UKAC multipliers
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> Paul
>
> I do not consider it a JO03 ego trip, but the whole idea of contesting is
> to work as many stations as possible and as far away as possible.
>
> I do not win 70cms UKAC very often and the same goes for 23cms, 6m and 4m
> again I have to work every last station I can to keep ahead.
>
> Maybe 40 years as an active contester and DX worker has something to do
> with it!
>
> I am sorry that you think it unfair (because I live on a hill in Jo03
> maybe) but even before I moved up here 10 years ago I was still winning contests
> from JO01 and even many many years before that from IO91)
>
> Removing ALL multipliers would make a level playing field for ALL stations.
>
> Bryn Llewellyn G4DEZ
>
> I think the thing to look at is that even if I am struggling to work a weak
> station I will go as far as possible to make sure that the other station
> gets JO03 as a multiplier!
>
>
> PS I think the thing to look at is the On 21/11/2010 18:48, Paul pasquet
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "None of the replies I've read indicate any misunderstanding about the
> scoring, just incredulity about the changes"
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of the incredulity appears to come from stations located in JO01
> JO02 and JO03 !
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, I think the changes are a stroke of genius ;-)
> >
>
> The UK activity contest has been incredibly successful, its been a joy
> to see comments in the claimed scores showing how determined people have
> been to get on air and improve their stations (and scores) from month to
> month.
>
> No one has been disadvantaged or made less competitive by the rule
> changes, they simply have had *some* of their geographic advantage removed.
>
> The VHFCC have responded well in their attempt to improve the format of
> this series of contests - well done.
>
> Then G4DEZ wrote:
>
> >Well I won't bother again and the new winners can then realise
> >that if i was allowed to work DX (whole point of any contest)
> >they would be also rans as usual!
>
> Bryn you need to consider your tone before dismissing all of the people
> who give you points as "also rans" the contest was never intended to be
> a JO03 ego trip!
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:50:48 EST
> From: BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2011 UKAC
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> Ray
>
> Definitely in the Midlands and over 15m inland from the sea.
>
> Just unfortunate I live in the country and on a hill, the downside is there
> are no local hams to speak of and if I ever work JO03 I am extremely
> grateful.
>
> Probably not more than 15 hams within 30 miles of here who are maybe active
> on VHF contests!
>
> I don't have the massive numbers of stations who are local say in IO83 and
> IO91 due to sheer size of populateion over and down there.
>
> Regards Bryn G4DEZ
>
> In a message dated 22/11/2010 10:54:02 GMT Standard Time,
> g3hrh at btinternet.com writes:
>
> Bryn,
>
> I would be quite happy to dispense with the square multipliers and just
> have one point per km. As I recall, the multipliers were introduced to give
> a better incentive than one point per QSO. But I would still like the
> locator to form part of the necessary exchange as a measure of ability
> correctly to receive a message. But I suspect that opinion will be divided - as
> always. BTW I regard you as East Coast rather than Midlands !!
>
> Ray
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>
> Ray
>
> To be even fairer why not just remove ALL grid multipliers. I do not
> beam to EU for more tha 5% of total time. If you think it helps midlands
> stations then so be it, I didn't ask for any extra help (living in the midlands)
>
> I will probably enter as usual as long as I get points for working my
> friends in OZ DL F PA etc couldn't care less about the multipliers.
>
> Regards Bryn Llewellyn G4DEZ
>
>
> In a message dated 22/11/2010 10:29:24 GMT Standard Time,
> g3hrh at btinternet.com writes:
> Personally I agree with Paul RRA and think it is a reasonable attempt to
> level the playing field - and I say this as somone close to the South
> Coast.
> If anything it has tilted it in favour of the Midlands but I can live with
> that. After all it is a UK Activity event. Sorry you will not be there
> to
> give out JO03 Bryn but maybe there will be others?
>
> Ray G3HRH
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:18:02 +0000
> From: Paul_group <paul_group at greenrover.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2011 UKAC multipliers
> To: BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com, "uk-contest at contesting.com"
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> On 22/11/2010 11:42, BCSLLEWELLYN at aol.com wrote:
> > Paul
> > I do not consider it a JO03 ego trip, but the whole idea of contesting
> > is to work as many stations as possible and as far away as possible.
>
> Thank you for that, clearly my inexperience shows through.
>
>
> > I am sorry that you think it unfair (because I live on a hill in Jo03
> > maybe) but even before I moved up here 10 years ago I was still winning
> > contests from JO01 and even many many years before that from IO91)
>
> Bryn, you have made a lifestyle choice to live where you do and that's
> your prerogative, I don't think of it as an unfair advantage. Don't
> misrepresent my statement.
>
> You and I are very aware that its a whole lot easier under normal
> conditions for you to work PA and Dl than it is for most of the rest of
> the UK.
>
> With that (fair) advantage under normal conditions you have a whole
> layer of additional squares and stations that you can work that others
> in the North / West/ South West of the UK cant. That is not an opinion
> its a fact.
>
> Going back to your original statement about the purpose of contesting,
> perhaps some contests are there for another reason?
>
> VHF DXing and contesting in the UK was at an all time low just a few
> years ago. The VHFCC set up the UKAC contests and they have been
> successful in promoting just what can be done on VHF and above. The
> improvements in individual scores has been remarkable and a real success
> story. Adjusting the scoring system to improve participation is more
> important than boosting your ego (or mine).
>
> The real benefit of this contest is to allow the lesser experienced VHF
> contesters the opportunity to see improvement in their performance and
> thus encourage them to improve their stations and skills.
>
> When you and I are pushing daises up... who will be taking part in
> contests and working VHF DX - let me spell it out to you, the ones being
> encouraged by the UKAC!
>
> > Removing ALL multipliers would make a level playing field for ALL stations.
> > Bryn Llewellyn G4DEZ
>
> No it would not. Someone living in GI or the north of GM would be
> disadvantaged by that as he would be further from the centre of
> population and activity than someone living in G.
>
> That is one reason why its difficult to make a fair scoring system, and
> that is why your simplistic view of the rule changes are wrong.
>
> That is why the changes made were the right thing to do.
>
> --
> 73 de Paul GW8IZR IO73TI
> http://www.gw8izr.com
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:57:33 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Fulton K1550 winch parts
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> Hi all,
>
> Not quite contesting but possibly of interest to those like myself using a 60' Versatower or similar and use the Fulton K1550 winches for raising and luffing.
> The friction brake disk on my raising winch gave up the ghost last week so I needed to find a replacement.
>
> My initial email enquiry was to the firm I purchased the winch from.
>
> Anglia
> We can offer a friction disc kit for ?25 + delivery + vat. We normally use a carrier so we can track the delivery and this will cost ?18.00, otherwise we can send un tracked in the post for approx. ?6.00.
> Delivery will be approx. 5 working days.
>
> and the alternative!
>
> Good Afternoon, thank you for your email. The friction plates are available from stock, our part No. 4452 price ?4.85 plus ?5.00 post and packing plus VAT. Next day delivery.
> Kevin Barry
> Bushey Hall Winchmaster
> k.barry at bhwgroup.co.uk
> Telephone: 0208 953 6050 ext. 227
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> You can guess who got my business!
> Hope this is useful for anyone else.
>
> 73 Ray GM4CXM
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:58:20 +0000
> From: David G3YYD <g3yyd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the G0s ?
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> Could it be that many UK stations join in the fun by working
> countries/states/zones that they would not normally be able to work
> outside a contest? If that is the case they are not interested in
> entering the contest only taking advantage of the contest to work some
> DX. See no wrong in that as it increases contest activity. I
>
> I encourage members of the local club to do just that especially on the
> 2nd day of a big 48hour contest when the big guns are looking for the
> QRP and/or poor antenna stations. It gives them training that may turn
> them into full blown contesters later in life.
>
> I remember when I started that all the big contesters were 2 letter
> calls or G2+three letters with a few of the early G3+3letters. Now it is
> more late G3+3 letters and into the G4s. (no wonder I have got grey hair!)
>
> David G3YYD
>
> On 21/11/2010 20:43, Dave Lawley wrote:
> >> Overall, UK entries might be up on previous years (I have not checked) with
> >> quite a few of the new individual SCCs being activated. The UK turnout is
> >> poor however, when compared with e.g. DL.
> >>
> > Yes that's true, but interestingly if you look at the country breakdown
> > in K3LR's 3830 score report, they worked almost as many UK stations as
> > DL, and our totals are above all other EU countries.
> >
> > So, if you're a UK contester and you made some QSOs in CQWW, no matter
> > if it was only a handful, send in your log! It's easy these days with
> > computer logging and email submission.
> >
> > Dave G4BUO
> >
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