[UK-CONTEST] Who loses points for bad QSO?

[Bob Henderson]

It's not black and white, as many before have discovered.

Bob, 5B4AGN

On 13 August 2011 11:29, tom wylie <thomaswylie at sky.com> wrote:

>  correct.   The exchange is correct, but not necessarily what is keyed in,
> in the heat of the battle, especially if you are operating as a multi multi
> or a guest in a strange environment.
>
> We are supposed to be experts at operating our radio and knowing
> propagation etc, perhaps some of us are not experts at using computers and
> keyboards working 5/6 per minute......  its inevitable that the odd keying
> error will occur.    So why penalise BOTH ends of the QSO when one end is
> oblivious to the error.
>
> RTTY is perhaps a little different where YOU DO send what you key in, but
> then again, in the heat of the battle  the computer is  "grabbing" the
> callsign, which due to QSB etc might or might not be correct.   I might
> receive 5B4AGD
> and say to myself, thet'll be old man Bob so I manually correct it to
> 5B4AGN.    You may not be so well known in other countries and left in the
> log as 5B4AGD...... is that YOUR fault?
>
>
> Tom
> FDM
>
>
>
>
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> On 13/08/2011 11:42, Bob Henderson wrote:
>
> Tom
>
> You mean you don't send what you key in?
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> On 13 August 2011 10:15, Tom GM4FDM <tom at gm4fdm.com> <tom at gm4fdm.com> wrote:
>
>
>   Hmmmmmm.    I am qsl manager for Craig  D2SG.    In his last log there
> were 12 instances of    where he had keyed in an O  instead of a 0
> (zero)    like MOAXT instead of
> M0AXT  there were two instances of where Craig had keyed in an I instead of
> a 1.  So these QSOs did not match in LOTW.
>
> Now these things are simple to correct in a DX log.    I guess it depends a
> great deal on your key board.
> (I remember when I was in jersey with the French team, I was confronted by
> a French keyboard which
> you might or might not know is NOT QWERTY......
>
> Now I can be as accurate and correct as you like, but if the station I make
> contact with keys in a Capital O instead of a ZERO, why should I be
> penalised?     In my case my brain is faster than my fingers and key in
> errors
> do occur.   If they are MY error why should someone else be punished?
>
> CQ Contest GM4FDM
>
> GM4FDM 5B4AGN
>
> 5B4AGN 599001
>
> GM4FDM 5B4AGN rgr UR 599999
>
> QSL BOB 73 QRZ GM4FDM
>
> all correct?     yes?    what if I inadvertently key in 4B5AGN     or
> 5B5AGN  or 5B4AGM
>
> Bob will be none the wiser, no matter how many times he has checked my
> information on the radio.
>
> Why should HE loose points as well?
>
> My 2p  worth
>
>
> Tom
>
> GM4FAM   sri  GM4FDM   sri  GM4FVM or even GM3FDN
>
>
> On 13/08/2011 09:26, Bob Henderson wrote:
>
> I agree with you Stewart.  Our contests are based upon two-way
> communication, after all.  However, penalties mostly aren't applied this
> way, only the station with the error in his log is penalised.
>
> Gaming the system is certainly a risk.  I think it's rare but I do have one
> personal experience.  A few years back, I worked a well known contester
> during CQWW RTTY.   He was a double mult for me and I at least an entity
> mult for him.  Knowing I would be unlikely to find another station from the
> same entity or zone, he chose to send his call with one character wrong.
> You may think this was a mis-copy but no, his call was sent incorrectly six
> times.  A little detective work allowed me to correct the call post event,
> so his ploy didn't work.  He achieved nothing but assassination of his own
> character.  The depths to which some will stoop really can be quite amazing.
>
> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>
> On 13 August 2011 08:07, Stewart Bryant <stewart at g3ysx.org.uk> <stewart at g3ysx.org.uk> <stewart at g3ysx.org.uk> <stewart at g3ysx.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>  On 13/08/2011 07:51, Chris G4FZN wrote:
>
>  If, during a contest exchange, station A copies station B's report and
> locator all ok, but station B makes an error in logging station A's
>
>  report,
>
>  is it always BOTH stations who lose points for that QSO, or just the one
>
>  who
>
>  copied or transcribed the details wrongly? Therefore, for contacts that
> appear in a UBN report sent to me following a contest, is it always
>
>  correct
>
>  to assume the other station has lost the points for that QSO too?
>
>  You would hope so other wise entrants would be gaming the system by
> not correcting readback errors, or even giving false corrections.
>
> If both loose the points it is in both parties interests to pursue the
> contact until both parties have the exchange correct.
>
> Stewart/G3YSX
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