[UK-CONTEST] Not sending what you key in

[Roger Western]

I agree on all points, Clive, with one caveat: CQ log-checking includes a 
'reverse busted' analysis. This highlights the rare instances where the 
transmitting station regularly sends badly - the stations who correctly 
logged what he incorrectly sent are not then penalised. Example: a station 
whose suffix ends in LML is regularly logged as LQI because the last two 
letters are always joined up! They are both in SCP, by the way!
73 de Roger/G3SXW.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Clive GM3POI
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:30 AM
To: uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Not sending what you key in

I believe the onus of and exchange being correctly logged falls on, and
only on the receiver.
Also there should be a penalty greater than just loosing the Q for
callsign errors. Otherwise an individual may as well just guess or rely
on the SCP, he looses nothing if there is no additional penalty. The
loss of an additional  Q or Qs will make most more attentive in getting
it right.
The RSGB appears to be one of the only major contest organisers, that
do not apply the penalties used at the ARRL or CQ, is it therefore any
wonder why standards in the UK are not improving that much.  73 Clive GM3POI

On 15/08/2011 07:56, Bob Henderson wrote:
> Hi Barry
>
> I agree it is easy to understand.  Though I doubt many serious contesters
> will these days accept the increased risk associated with divorcing what 
> is
> sent from what is logged.  An own goal for sure.
>
> My point is that communication would be improved were the sender to share
> responsibility for accurate receipt.  This mostly isn't the case.  Of
> course, what I suggest isn't going to happen any time soon because it 
> would
> disturb established exchange dynamics. To illustrate:
>
> Me: Test P3F
> You: GM3YEH
> Me: GM3YEH 5nn
> You: 5nn
> Me: TU
> Then: W2YZ etc
>
> The above conveys a typical contest exchange.  Note that the station I 
> work
> never actually sends my call.  How might I know if he has copied me as 
> P3L?
> I can't.  This underlines the inequity in penalising me as a consequence 
> of
> him logging P3L.  I must assume my QSO partner can accurately read my CW.
> Very sloppy!
>
> Greater efficacy would arise were both parties penalised for imperfect two
> way communication.  I don't see any need for penalties of multiple QSO
> points merely zero points for the contact.
>
> As I said this ain't going to happen soon, if not for any other reason 
> than
> it would disturb the status quo significantly, at least so far as contest
> records are concerned.  This because the current "efficient" exchange 
> format
> would suddenly become a hazard to be averted and rate reduction would
> result.  Viz:
>
> Me: Test P3F
> You: P3F (de) GM3YEH
> Me: GM3YEH 5nn
> You: 5nn
> Me: TU
>
> Suddenly you need to send my call because I now need confidence you know 
> who
> I am.
>
> Perish the thought.  ;-)
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
> On 14 August 2011 19:36, GM3YEH<gm3yeh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>> In routine CW QSOs D2SG Craig (aka MM0SSG) doesn't use ESM.  What he 
>> types
>> goes into the log but what he sends comes from his paddles.  The scenario
>> Tom describes is easy to understand when this is taken into account.
>> 73 Barry GM3YEH.
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Tom GM4FDM wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmm.    I am qsl manager for Craig  D2SG.    In his last log there
>>>> were 12 instances of    where he had keyed in an O  instead of a 0
>>>> (zero)    like MOAXT instead of M0AXT  there were two instances of
>> where
>>>> Craig had keyed in an I instead of a 1.  So these QSOs did not match in
>>>> LOTW.
>>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bob Henderson<bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
>>> To: UK Contest Reflector<uk-contest at contesting.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:42:22 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Who loses points for bad QSO?
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> You mean you don't send what you key in?
>>>
>>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>
>>>
>>>
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