[UK-CONTEST] Failure to Identify

[Rob Harrison]

Hi Roger,

Yes I was aware of the URL and code, it's common sense to me, and we 
shouldn't need a code at all.

Whilst applauding your efforts, any code as no teeth, it needs authoritive 
action, be that at National level or from contest organisers. Realistically 
that's not going to happen. It's more a problem with modern society than 
anything else, the me culture and instant gratification I'm afraid.

On VHF/UHF it is generally not a problem, it can get a bit out of hand when 
the ES comes in summer, and not QSYing from the calling channel on 144 has 
become a problem recently. Small beer compared to HF.

I think HF has passed the turning point unfortunately. The huge numbers on 
HF as opposed to VHF is a lot of the problem, more stations, more bad 
apples. Having said all that there are still lots of gentlemen and ladies 
out there who conduct themselves very well.

I can't see it improving just getting worse. :0(

73 Bob G8HGN

P.S. As an experiment why not turn the cluster of for two weeks over 
Christmas, and see what happens?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Western" <g3sxw at btinternet.com>
To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Failure to Identify


> Yes, Rob - things have seriously deteriorated in recent years. There's a
> move afoot to try and spread the good word:
>
> http://www.dx-code.org/
>
> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rob Harrison
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:27 AM
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Failure to Identify
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just recently ventured on to 10M, from a long background on VHF/UHF.
> I've done a bit of SWLing over those years so I know how HF operates. I 
> was
> quite taken aback at the appalling operating of some stations, the usual
> calling and not listening, etc, etc. For example this morning VK6ANC on 
> 10M
> was peaking 57 here on my dipole at 4ft off the ground. Now if I can hear
> him, all these large Europeans stations can too, but calling whilst he's 
> in
> QSO, tuning up on the frequency, chatting over the top, and then he went 
> QRT
> and they were still calling!  Of course all that has been going on for
> years, but the ID situation is much worse than I can remember. I think
> that's due to the cluster spots and point and shoot software mainly.
> Stations feel they don't have to ID as they are spotted on the cluster. 
> Two
> or three QRZ's is acceptable before giving the call, but I listened to one
> station that was just saying QRZ every time until someone managed to get 
> in
> and ask for the call.
>
> Related to this is the practice of saying 73 etc at the end of a QSO and
> then not indicating you are listening for the final over, so all and 
> sundry
> drop their calls in over the final over. Then the calling station says 
> "the
> DL station with X in the call" or some such phrase. There's no control of
> the calling stations. I was lead to believe you should indicate when you 
> are
> ready to receive new callers, and if calling in, wait until the station
> indicates he's lookng for new callers. Some operators don't help their
> cause, and I'm left to decide whether to join the scrum or stick to my 
> guns.
> All it needs is the operator to NOT take any calls dropped in during the
> final over, and then when finished give call or QRZ.
>
> Am I a dinosaur and asking too much in these "modern times".
>
> Bob G8HGN
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stewart GM4AFF" <stewart at gm4aff.net>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:19 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Failure to Identify
>
>
>>
>> I listened for a little while on 10m yesterday. This was outside any
>> contest
>> and conditions were superb. There were many stations who were ending 
>> their
>> QSOs with TU, rather than identifying. Some stations on SSB just go on 
>> and
>> on and never identify, in spite of not being under any particular pile-up
>> stress.
>>
>> So it's not just the desire to increase rate in contests that causes 
>> this.
>> In fact, that's just an excuse. I fully appreciate that to not identify
>> from
>> time to time is a means of pile-up control, but that's not what these 
>> guys
>> are doing. Sadly, they just don't know how to operate. Now that we have
>> good
>> conditions, I wonder how it will be in the ARRL 10m contest coming up 
>> next
>> weekend?
>>
>> During CQ WW SSB I noticed a station on the cluster who was entering 
>> loads
>> of bad, or busted spots. Everyone, including me, was annoyed by this. I
>> now
>> think that he may have been trying to make a point.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>> GM4AFF
>>
>>
>>
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