[UK-CONTEST] Channel rights?

[Mike Chamberlain]

An interesting explanation was put forward on the Topband reflector this
morning where this topic is also being discussed. Many of the serious
operators will be using directional Rx antennas, if the station who
originally occupying the frequency has switched to a long Beverage that's
pointing away from you he probably won't hear your QRL or CQ.  Even with my
K9AY if I'm looking towards South America, stations from Germany, Poland etc
that are RS 59 when pointing at them may not be audible.

73
Mike /G3WPH


--- Bob - G3ORY wrote ---

I have had similar experiences to Jonathan. You are trying to winkle 
out some desperately weak caller when someone calls QRL? a bit off 
frequency and just once. You treat it as a bit more QRM and then the 
guy starts CQing and won't go away when you protest. No SO2R or SO2V 
involved at my end but you are in a frequency 'fight' before you know 
it, or even did anything to deserve it. I agree with Jonathan that a 
bit more humility might be in order.



73 Bob

G3ORY


>I have had the case a number of times when I haven't left the 
frequency but rather have stopped to listen to a weak/slow/both station 
replying to me or repeating something for the nth time and have then 
had to make the decision whether to lose him by sending AS (wait) or 
(QRL) in response to a QRL? over the top therefore abandoning reception 
or what normally happens continue to listen and then the person who 
asked doesn't hear him or me and therefore starts calling.  I think 
generally a double check of the frequency is in order and some humility 
if you don't hear the guy immediately reply YES but then hear him on 
the frequency. 

>

>Otherwise I agree with the comments already made.  With SO2R/SO2V you 
take a risk and must accept the consequence when you lose it!

>

>Without knowing what was actually the case .. and how long there was 
between the station in Peter's case responding ... its impossible to 
say who was unreasonable :) 

>

>Jonathan G0DVJ 

>--

>

>On 31 Jan 2011, at 16:18, G4LMW wrote:

>

>> Peter

>> 

>> Is this a case of SO2R/SO2V?

>> 

>> The station calls CQ on frequency "A" and works a few stations, then 
spots a 

>> "new" one on a 2nd S&P frequency (B) and works that one. This is the 
moment 

>> where you call QRL? on frequency A, but he is busy repeating his 
serial to 

>> the other station on B. He finally finishes the QSO and returns to 
"his" CQ 

>> spot only to find you happily working away.

>> 

>> To answer your question, you are in the right. He left the channel 
and did 

>> not respond to "QRL?" .... so tough luck!

>> 

>> (In my humble opinion)

>> 

>> Rob, G4LMW

>> 

>> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> From: "Peter Hobbs" <peter at tilgate.co.uk>

>> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>

>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:34 PM

>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Channel rights?

>> 

>> 

>>> OK, I guess this is all in a day's business for many of you, but I

>>> usually only run in international events 2 or 3 times a year.  
There's

>>> at least one subscriber to this forum who may disagree with my

>>> viewpoint, but I hadn't realised that the following practice (seen

>>> during CQ 160 at the weekend) has become effectively the norm.

>>> 

>>> Having found a usable channel, sent QRL? with no reply, fired off a 
few

>>> CQs and worked a couple of punters, the alleged "proprietor" comes 
on

>>> the scene, claiming he has been using the channel for "long" and 
refuses

>>> to recognise that by departing for whatever reason, he has lost use 
of

>>> it.  As far as I was concerned, this was a matter of principal 
and,

>>> especially as I was still able to make a few QSOs, there was no way 
I

>>> was going to budge.  Thanks are due to a couple of G stations who 
may or

>>> may not have fully understood exactly what was going on (they know 
who

>>> they are!), but took the trouble to call during the episode.

>>> Eventually, the offending station would go off somewhere for a few

>>> minutes, returning from time to time to CQ specifically over one of 
my

>>> callers.  Do people try to hold two run channels at once perhaps?  
And

>>> are they all from E Europe??

>>> 

>>> My question: who was being unreasonable?

>>> 

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