[UK-CONTEST] Channel rights?

[John G3LZQ]

Mike another interesting problem is the
number of  HP Europeans constantly CQ DX and
in the contest DX either calling them
unanswered or just calling CQ themselves with
no response from Europe. I took to sending
the DX callsign followed by mine and gained
lots of DX QSO's..I began to wonder if it was
a deliberate ploy on behalf of the large
multi-ops to occupy channels when they find a
dx station CQ'n thus freezing out others by
using another group members callsign.

73 John G3LZQ

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Chamberlain
Sent: 02 February 2011 14:50
To: 'UK contest list'
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Channel rights?

An interesting explanation was put forward on
the Topband reflector this
morning where this topic is also being
discussed. Many of the serious
operators will be using directional Rx
antennas, if the station who
originally occupying the frequency has
switched to a long Beverage that's
pointing away from you he probably won't hear
your QRL or CQ.  Even with my
K9AY if I'm looking towards South America,
stations from Germany, Poland etc
that are RS 59 when pointing at them may not
be audible.

73
Mike /G3WPH


--- Bob - G3ORY wrote ---

I have had similar experiences to Jonathan.
You are trying to winkle
out some desperately weak caller when someone
calls QRL? a bit off
frequency and just once. You treat it as a
bit more QRM and then the
guy starts CQing and won't go away when you
protest. No SO2R or SO2V
involved at my end but you are in a frequency
'fight' before you know
it, or even did anything to deserve it. I
agree with Jonathan that a
bit more humility might be in order.



73 Bob

G3ORY


>I have had the case a number of times when I
haven't left the
frequency but rather have stopped to listen
to a weak/slow/both station
replying to me or repeating something for the
nth time and have then
had to make the decision whether to lose him
by sending AS (wait) or
(QRL) in response to a QRL? over the top
therefore abandoning reception
or what normally happens continue to listen
and then the person who
asked doesn't hear him or me and therefore
starts calling.  I think
generally a double check of the frequency is
in order and some humility
if you don't hear the guy immediately reply
YES but then hear him on
the frequency.

>

>Otherwise I agree with the comments already
made.  With SO2R/SO2V you
take a risk and must accept the consequence
when you lose it!

>

>Without knowing what was actually the case
.. and how long there was
between the station in Peter's case
responding ... its impossible to
say who was unreasonable :)

>

>Jonathan G0DVJ

>--

>

>On 31 Jan 2011, at 16:18, G4LMW wrote:

>

>> Peter

>>

>> Is this a case of SO2R/SO2V?

>>

>> The station calls CQ on frequency "A" and
works a few stations, then
spots a

>> "new" one on a 2nd S&P frequency (B) and
works that one. This is the
moment

>> where you call QRL? on frequency A, but he
is busy repeating his
serial to

>> the other station on B. He finally
finishes the QSO and returns to
"his" CQ

>> spot only to find you happily working
away.

>>

>> To answer your question, you are in the
right. He left the channel
and did

>> not respond to "QRL?" .... so tough luck!

>>

>> (In my humble opinion)

>>

>> Rob, G4LMW

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Peter Hobbs" <peter at tilgate.co.uk>

>> To: "UK Contest reflector"
<uk-contest at contesting.com>

>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:34 PM

>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Channel rights?

>>

>>

>>> OK, I guess this is all in a day's
business for many of you, but I

>>> usually only run in international events
2 or 3 times a year.
There's

>>> at least one subscriber to this forum who
may disagree with my

>>> viewpoint, but I hadn't realised that the
following practice (seen

>>> during CQ 160 at the weekend) has become
effectively the norm.

>>>

>>> Having found a usable channel, sent QRL?
with no reply, fired off a
few

>>> CQs and worked a couple of punters, the
alleged "proprietor" comes
on

>>> the scene, claiming he has been using the
channel for "long" and
refuses

>>> to recognise that by departing for
whatever reason, he has lost use
of

>>> it.  As far as I was concerned, this was
a matter of principal
and,

>>> especially as I was still able to make a
few QSOs, there was no way
I

>>> was going to budge.  Thanks are due to a
couple of G stations who
may or

>>> may not have fully understood exactly
what was going on (they know
who

>>> they are!), but took the trouble to call
during the episode.

>>> Eventually, the offending station would
go off somewhere for a few

>>> minutes, returning from time to time to
CQ specifically over one of
my

>>> callers.  Do people try to hold two run
channels at once perhaps?
And

>>> are they all from E Europe??

>>>

>>> My question: who was being unreasonable?

>>>

>


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