[UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table

[Chris Parnell]

John, (MM0CCC), I agree with your suggestion that RSGB contest committee could/should liase with IRTS and invite EI portable stations to participate, but then I am a little biased as for 2 years following (2008/9) I guested with them for NFD on the Wicklow Mountains, and had a thoroughly great time, (including the precontest on-site Roast Turkey dinner), with a bunch of dedicated guys who are well aware of the situation of not being eligible for a trophy.
 
Perhaps if there is/are objections to EI9E submitting an entry,  then perhaps it might be better if the whole lot of non-UK stations be excluded for being in everyones log and only contacts with UK stations count towards the contest score, (heaven forbid).
I`m sure those "G" station that work shed loads of continental stations during their NFD and other VHF/UHF contestswould be upset if that was the case.
Some non-UK stations already submit score to be included in "our" contest tables (TM2A--PE1EWR etc) various ones not just NFD.
 
Why are some people just not happy unless they are whinging about something or other, rather that putting their energies into getting more UK stations on air and in the logs.
 
Well done EI9E this year and thanks for the hospitality in previous years.
 
Chris G0HFX 
 

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> 1. VHF NFD results table (Peter Tribe)
> 2. Revised results for IARU Region 1 50MHz contest 2011
> (Steve Thompson)
> 3. Liberia (Roger Western)
> 4. Re: VHF NFD results table (John MacLean MM0CCC)
> 5. Re: VHF NFD results table (dave at g4buo.com)
> 6. Re: VHF NFD results table (John MacLean MM0CCC)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:32:32 +0100
> From: Peter Tribe <ptribe at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
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> > 1. VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > (philhss at tpg.com.au)
> > 2. Re: VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > (Pete Lindsay)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:37:12 +1000
> >From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> >Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD - things seem to have changed
> > somewhat....?
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> >OK, I admit it. I've been out of the UK for some time now.
> >
> >But, I still try my best to stay in touch and get to know what's 
> >going on in Blighty.
> >
> >The VHF FD Results raised an ex-pat eyebrow however. Why would a 
> >non-UK group be listed in the
> >tables? An impressive score, but not wholly relevant to the contest 
> >as they're not permitted to
> >enter as I recall? Or has something changed in my absence? 8-)
> >
> >Do these (virtual) winners also get band leader and/or winner certificates?
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Phil Smeaton
> >G0HSS / VK4BAA / VK4KW
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> Phil - As an entrant to VHF NFD I entirely agree with your comments. 
> It seems pointless to me to include overseas scores in the results 
> table, particularly when they award themselves more points on each 
> band that legitimate entires can claim and they are legally allowed 
> to use two and a half times the power of UK entries.
> The tables would look a right mess if all the French, German, Dutch 
> and Belgium groups sent in their scores.
> I am delighted that people want to take part in a UK contest and if 
> you want to go to Irelend why not? The more the merrier. But frankly 
> their scores are only useful as a checklog and distort the tables for 
> the proper entries. The simplest solution would be to have a separate 
> list for foreign entries.
> The other area that needs addressing is the inequity between the 
> scoring for the different bands. If you stay up all night on 23 cms 
> you might make 80 contacts for a maximum of 1000 pts whereas you can 
> get the same score for 6 hours' operating on 4m. Shurely somthing wrong ere!
> 
> 73 all Peter Tribe G0VVE
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:26:10 +0100
> From: Steve Thompson <g8gsq72 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Revised results for IARU Region 1 50MHz contest
> 2011
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> Some entries went missing during submission, so the results have 
> been revised to include them. There's a copy here:
> 
> http://www.rsgbcc.org/vhf/results/11/2011_50_MHz_IARU_region_I_contest.pdf
> 
> Apologies if the link doesn't wrap, but it should be clear what 
> it's meant to be. For the time being at least, there's a link on 
> the vhf results page:
> 
> http://www.rsgbcc.org/vhf/results/resindex.htm
> 
> Steve G8GSQ
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:41:03 +0100
> From: "Roger Western" <g3sxw at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Liberia
> To: "NG3K" <Bill at ng3k.com>, "W3UR" <bernie at dailydx.com>, "Magazine DX"
> <dxadmin at dxpub.com>, "K1XN" <golist at gmail.com>
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> Reflector UK <uk-contest at contesting.com>, N7CW <n7cw at cableone.net>,
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> LIBERIA: The VooDoo Contest Group will enter the CQWW CW contest this 
> November for the 23rd straight year. This time we will be located just South 
> of Monrovia,
> the capital of Liberia, call-sign EL2A, multi-multi category. Operation with 
> personal call-signs will commence on November 21st:
> 
> AA7A Ned ? EL2NS
> G3SXW Roger ? EL2A
> G4BWP Fred ? EL2WP
> KC7V Mike ? EL2MF
> KY7M Lee ? EL2LF
> N7CW Bud ? EL2CW
> 
> QSL via home-call. LoTW uploads will be fast!
> 
> We look forward to working everyone in the biggest and best contest of the 
> year! Many thanks in advance for wonderful support from the Liberian Radio 
> Amateur Association.
> 
> Attached photo is the 9L5VT group last November: (l to r) Roger G3SXW, Zbig 
> 9L1BTB, Ned AA7A, Fred G4BWP, Bud N7CW.
> 73 de Roger/G3SXW. 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:03:06 +0100
> From: "John MacLean MM0CCC" <mm0ccc at gmx.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> If several non-UK entrants submitted logs, I'd perhaps see the need for a 
> seperate listing (or section) however that is not presently the case. As a 
> member of a club who enters the same section as the group this thread refers 
> to, I have no objection to them appearing above our clubs listing. Their 
> score has merited it, and it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or 
> certificates. They have entered well aware they are not elligible for RSGB 
> awards.
> 
> I'd even go further and suggest that RSGBCC liase with IRTS to Open VHF 
> Field Day to /P entrants throughout the British Isles. You only need to 
> look at their entry numbers to last year's VHF Field Day in EI to see they 
> have little incentive to take part, as there is hardly anyone to complete 
> against.
> 
> Scandinavia already group together through the SAC activity contests. I'll 
> wager (though I may be wrong) there's something similar in the Benelux 
> countries? And of course, DL and F, like the UK, have high enough 
> populations/licensees to maintain reasonable participation levels and 
> competition. EI does not have this luxury, and the UK is geographically the 
> only suitable DXCC that they could join in with, from a VHF/UHF point of 
> view.
> 
> Boron-Carbide hat and vest already donned/fitted.
> 
> 73
> John MM0CCC
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Tribe" <ptribe at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:32 PM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> 
> 
> > At 20:00 23/09/2011, you wrote:
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> >>
> >> 1. VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> >> (philhss at tpg.com.au)
> >> 2. Re: VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> >> (Pete Lindsay)
> >>
> >>
> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>Message: 1
> >>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:37:12 +1000
> >>From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> >>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD - things seem to have changed
> >> somewhat....?
> >>To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> >>Message-ID: <1316745432.4e7bf0d8abf39 at postoffice.tpg.com.au>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >>OK, I admit it. I've been out of the UK for some time now.
> >>
> >>But, I still try my best to stay in touch and get to know what's
> >>going on in Blighty.
> >>
> >>The VHF FD Results raised an ex-pat eyebrow however. Why would a
> >>non-UK group be listed in the
> >>tables? An impressive score, but not wholly relevant to the contest
> >>as they're not permitted to
> >>enter as I recall? Or has something changed in my absence? 8-)
> >>
> >>Do these (virtual) winners also get band leader and/or winner 
> >>certificates?
> >>
> >>73,
> >>
> >>Phil Smeaton
> >>G0HSS / VK4BAA / VK4KW
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------
> > Phil - As an entrant to VHF NFD I entirely agree with your comments.
> > It seems pointless to me to include overseas scores in the results
> > table, particularly when they award themselves more points on each
> > band that legitimate entires can claim and they are legally allowed
> > to use two and a half times the power of UK entries.
> > The tables would look a right mess if all the French, German, Dutch
> > and Belgium groups sent in their scores.
> > I am delighted that people want to take part in a UK contest and if
> > you want to go to Irelend why not? The more the merrier. But frankly
> > their scores are only useful as a checklog and distort the tables for
> > the proper entries. The simplest solution would be to have a separate
> > list for foreign entries.
> > The other area that needs addressing is the inequity between the
> > scoring for the different bands. If you stay up all night on 23 cms
> > you might make 80 contacts for a maximum of 1000 pts whereas you can
> > get the same score for 6 hours' operating on 4m. Shurely somthing wrong 
> > ere!
> >
> > 73 all Peter Tribe G0VVE
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:37:31 +0100
> From: dave at g4buo.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
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> > it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or
> > certificates.
> 
> Maybe the rules have changed John but a few years ago that's exactly what
> happened. G0FBB/P were denied the band-leader's certificate for 50MHz,
> because of a higher score from a group that wasn't eligible to take part
> in the contest. Still rankles.
> 
> Dave G4BUO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:04:59 +0100
> From: "John MacLean MM0CCC" <mm0ccc at gmx.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> 
> I recall the discussion about this at the time, Dave, but cannot remember
> the outcome.
> 
> Looking at the rules, my interpretation of 10.d would be that the leading UK
> station should receive a cert as section winner, but EI9E/P would also merit
> one as highest scoring staion and/or leading overseas entry. Diplomatic
> response this may well be, but I'm sure our group has won some 50MHz and
> 70MHz Open Sections, received a cert to confirm this, yet still scored less
> than EI9E/P did.
> 
> 73
> John MM0CCC
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dave at g4buo.com>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> 
> 
> >> it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or
> >> certificates.
> >
> > Maybe the rules have changed John but a few years ago that's exactly what
> > happened. G0FBB/P were denied the band-leader's certificate for 50MHz,
> > because of a higher score from a group that wasn't eligible to take part
> > in the contest. Still rankles.
> >
> > Dave G4BUO
> >
> >
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