[UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD band points inequality
Chris Parnell
chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk
Mon Sep 26 05:20:55 PDT 2011
Hi Peter, (G0VVE)
I think that the contest rules re: points normalization for the various bands are more than satisfactory and also the time
allocations for each band. As it happened this year no DX was to be had on 4m thus we-- (Trowbridge)-- could afford to have
our least experienced ops on 4m
I doubt if any group ( or very few unless condx are really good) will be up all night operating on any band, most groups I
been out with, find that by mid-night there may be very few new stations to work on "ones own" QRG and a bit of S&P
tune around to pick off the other major groups still awake does relieve the boredom but by 0100 its usually dead.
At Trowbridge we found it simple & convenient to do the 6m/4M yagi change as soon as 6m time finished and could go to
sleep with the knowledge that 4m was up & ready to go. We had good site floodlights which helped and a pneumatic mast
for the 6m & 4m antennae.
I did hear of one group who had 3 or more band antennae on one tower all independently rotatable. (quite novel ??)
We didnt op on 2m which is probably the only band that might have provided any additions to log between say 0100 and 0530
thus all bands were shut down until early morning. With only 3 operators on site overnight and no additional ones expected
much before 0800, we found it necessary to conserve energy, both our own and the generators. Many other groups no doubt
did the same.
Each of the bands need a different approach, each having/exhibiting their own characteristics, a lot more effort in operating is
required to achieve a good score on 23cm than is on 6m or 4m and different tactics are necessary in the use/mix of CW & SSB
that is required. Some groups dont have CW ops and thus miss quite a bit of DX.
As each band is a contest in its own right, then each group must determine how much time/energy/equipment they will commit to
each band, due to "normalization" to get 1000 points means one has to win a band, however if one does exceptionally well on
all bands, but does not win any, there is still a chance of winning the overall contest section one enters.
All in all we are happy with the NFD arrangements but others might disagree.
Chris G0HFX
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> 1. Re: VHF NFD results table (Tim Hugill)
> 2. Re: VHF NFD results table (Chris Parnell)
> 3. Re: VHF NFD results table (philhss at tpg.com.au)
> 4. Re: VHF NFD results table (Rob Harrison)
> 5. Re: VHF NFD results table (philhss at tpg.com.au)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:23:24 +0100
> From: Tim Hugill <tim04 at swandhams.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> The other area that needs addressing is the inequity between the
> scoring for the different bands. If you stay up all night on 23 cms
> you might make 80 contacts for a maximum of 1000 pts whereas you can
>
> get the same score for 6 hours' operating on 4m. Shurely somthing
> wrong ere!
> 73 all Peter Tribe G0VVE
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Very much tongue-in-cheek of course, but ....
> at GW2OP/p down in West Wales, we were quite happy with the 50MHz /
> 70MHz split, although it was a lot of hard work changing antennas at
> 0500.
> After all, it is the V.H.F. NFD !
> How do the GMs feel about this ?
> Perhaps we can discuss this around the bar at the Convention next
> month.
>
> 73
> de Tim G4FJK
> one of the Pembrokeshire CG - GW2OP/p
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:22:05 +0000
> From: Chris Parnell <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: UK contest Committee <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> John, (MM0CCC), I agree with your suggestion that RSGB contest committee could/should liase with IRTS and invite EI portable stations to participate, but then I am a little biased as for 2 years following (2008/9) I guested with them for NFD on the Wicklow Mountains, and had a thoroughly great time, (including the precontest on-site Roast Turkey dinner), with a bunch of dedicated guys who are well aware of the situation of not being eligible for a trophy.
>
> Perhaps if there is/are objections to EI9E submitting an entry, then perhaps it might be better if the whole lot of non-UK stations be excluded for being in everyones log and only contacts with UK stations count towards the contest score, (heaven forbid).
> I`m sure those "G" station that work shed loads of continental stations during their NFD and other VHF/UHF contestswould be upset if that was the case.
> Some non-UK stations already submit score to be included in "our" contest tables (TM2A--PE1EWR etc) various ones not just NFD.
>
> Why are some people just not happy unless they are whinging about something or other, rather that putting their energies into getting more UK stations on air and in the logs.
>
> Well done EI9E this year and thanks for the hospitality in previous years.
>
> Chris G0HFX
>
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> > 1. VHF NFD results table (Peter Tribe)
> > 2. Revised results for IARU Region 1 50MHz contest 2011
> > (Steve Thompson)
> > 3. Liberia (Roger Western)
> > 4. Re: VHF NFD results table (John MacLean MM0CCC)
> > 5. Re: VHF NFD results table (dave at g4buo.com)
> > 6. Re: VHF NFD results table (John MacLean MM0CCC)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:32:32 +0100
> > From: Peter Tribe <ptribe at tiscali.co.uk>
> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> > To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <668301200/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/89.168.98.13/09/25/11/12:32:53 at mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
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> > > 1. VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > > (philhss at tpg.com.au)
> > > 2. Re: VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > > (Pete Lindsay)
> > >
> > >
> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 1
> > >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:37:12 +1000
> > >From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> > >Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD - things seem to have changed
> > > somewhat....?
> > >To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> > >Message-ID: <1316745432.4e7bf0d8abf39 at postoffice.tpg.com.au>
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> > >
> > >OK, I admit it. I've been out of the UK for some time now.
> > >
> > >But, I still try my best to stay in touch and get to know what's
> > >going on in Blighty.
> > >
> > >The VHF FD Results raised an ex-pat eyebrow however. Why would a
> > >non-UK group be listed in the
> > >tables? An impressive score, but not wholly relevant to the contest
> > >as they're not permitted to
> > >enter as I recall? Or has something changed in my absence? 8-)
> > >
> > >Do these (virtual) winners also get band leader and/or winner certificates?
> > >
> > >73,
> > >
> > >Phil Smeaton
> > >G0HSS / VK4BAA / VK4KW
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > Phil - As an entrant to VHF NFD I entirely agree with your comments.
> > It seems pointless to me to include overseas scores in the results
> > table, particularly when they award themselves more points on each
> > band that legitimate entires can claim and they are legally allowed
> > to use two and a half times the power of UK entries.
> > The tables would look a right mess if all the French, German, Dutch
> > and Belgium groups sent in their scores.
> > I am delighted that people want to take part in a UK contest and if
> > you want to go to Irelend why not? The more the merrier. But frankly
> > their scores are only useful as a checklog and distort the tables for
> > the proper entries. The simplest solution would be to have a separate
> > list for foreign entries.
> > The other area that needs addressing is the inequity between the
> > scoring for the different bands. If you stay up all night on 23 cms
> > you might make 80 contacts for a maximum of 1000 pts whereas you can
> > get the same score for 6 hours' operating on 4m. Shurely somthing wrong ere!
> >
> > 73 all Peter Tribe G0VVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:26:10 +0100
> > From: Steve Thompson <g8gsq72 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Revised results for IARU Region 1 50MHz contest
> > 2011
> > To: uk-contest at contesting.com
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> > Some entries went missing during submission, so the results have
> > been revised to include them. There's a copy here:
> >
> > http://www.rsgbcc.org/vhf/results/11/2011_50_MHz_IARU_region_I_contest.pdf
> >
> > Apologies if the link doesn't wrap, but it should be clear what
> > it's meant to be. For the time being at least, there's a link on
> > the vhf results page:
> >
> > http://www.rsgbcc.org/vhf/results/resindex.htm
> >
> > Steve G8GSQ
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:41:03 +0100
> > From: "Roger Western" <g3sxw at btinternet.com>
> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Liberia
> > To: "NG3K" <Bill at ng3k.com>, "W3UR" <bernie at dailydx.com>, "Magazine DX"
> > <dxadmin at dxpub.com>, "K1XN" <golist at gmail.com>
> > Cc: V31JP/Joe <k8jp at arrl.net>, KY7M <ars-ky7m at cox.net>, Contest
> > Reflector UK <uk-contest at contesting.com>, N7CW <n7cw at cableone.net>,
> > KC7V <kc7v at qwest.net>, G4BWP <fredch at homeshack.freeserve.co.uk>, AA7A
> > <aa7a at cox.net>
> > Message-ID: <AA950DF3875744529835E6534B2ED686 at RogerDell>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > LIBERIA: The VooDoo Contest Group will enter the CQWW CW contest this
> > November for the 23rd straight year. This time we will be located just South
> > of Monrovia,
> > the capital of Liberia, call-sign EL2A, multi-multi category. Operation with
> > personal call-signs will commence on November 21st:
> >
> > AA7A Ned ? EL2NS
> > G3SXW Roger ? EL2A
> > G4BWP Fred ? EL2WP
> > KC7V Mike ? EL2MF
> > KY7M Lee ? EL2LF
> > N7CW Bud ? EL2CW
> >
> > QSL via home-call. LoTW uploads will be fast!
> >
> > We look forward to working everyone in the biggest and best contest of the
> > year! Many thanks in advance for wonderful support from the Liberian Radio
> > Amateur Association.
> >
> > Attached photo is the 9L5VT group last November: (l to r) Roger G3SXW, Zbig
> > 9L1BTB, Ned AA7A, Fred G4BWP, Bud N7CW.
> > 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:03:06 +0100
> > From: "John MacLean MM0CCC" <mm0ccc at gmx.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Message-ID: <C3C1C2668E0B449BB129C78F87E244A3 at mm0ccc8b3078b6>
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> > reply-type=original
> >
> > If several non-UK entrants submitted logs, I'd perhaps see the need for a
> > seperate listing (or section) however that is not presently the case. As a
> > member of a club who enters the same section as the group this thread refers
> > to, I have no objection to them appearing above our clubs listing. Their
> > score has merited it, and it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or
> > certificates. They have entered well aware they are not elligible for RSGB
> > awards.
> >
> > I'd even go further and suggest that RSGBCC liase with IRTS to Open VHF
> > Field Day to /P entrants throughout the British Isles. You only need to
> > look at their entry numbers to last year's VHF Field Day in EI to see they
> > have little incentive to take part, as there is hardly anyone to complete
> > against.
> >
> > Scandinavia already group together through the SAC activity contests. I'll
> > wager (though I may be wrong) there's something similar in the Benelux
> > countries? And of course, DL and F, like the UK, have high enough
> > populations/licensees to maintain reasonable participation levels and
> > competition. EI does not have this luxury, and the UK is geographically the
> > only suitable DXCC that they could join in with, from a VHF/UHF point of
> > view.
> >
> > Boron-Carbide hat and vest already donned/fitted.
> >
> > 73
> > John MM0CCC
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Tribe" <ptribe at tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:32 PM
> > Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> >
> >
> > > At 20:00 23/09/2011, you wrote:
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> > >>
> > >> 1. VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > >> (philhss at tpg.com.au)
> > >> 2. Re: VHF NFD - things seem to have changed somewhat....?
> > >> (Pete Lindsay)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>Message: 1
> > >>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:37:12 +1000
> > >>From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> > >>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD - things seem to have changed
> > >> somewhat....?
> > >>To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> > >>Message-ID: <1316745432.4e7bf0d8abf39 at postoffice.tpg.com.au>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >>
> > >>OK, I admit it. I've been out of the UK for some time now.
> > >>
> > >>But, I still try my best to stay in touch and get to know what's
> > >>going on in Blighty.
> > >>
> > >>The VHF FD Results raised an ex-pat eyebrow however. Why would a
> > >>non-UK group be listed in the
> > >>tables? An impressive score, but not wholly relevant to the contest
> > >>as they're not permitted to
> > >>enter as I recall? Or has something changed in my absence? 8-)
> > >>
> > >>Do these (virtual) winners also get band leader and/or winner
> > >>certificates?
> > >>
> > >>73,
> > >>
> > >>Phil Smeaton
> > >>G0HSS / VK4BAA / VK4KW
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>------------------------------
> > > Phil - As an entrant to VHF NFD I entirely agree with your comments.
> > > It seems pointless to me to include overseas scores in the results
> > > table, particularly when they award themselves more points on each
> > > band that legitimate entires can claim and they are legally allowed
> > > to use two and a half times the power of UK entries.
> > > The tables would look a right mess if all the French, German, Dutch
> > > and Belgium groups sent in their scores.
> > > I am delighted that people want to take part in a UK contest and if
> > > you want to go to Irelend why not? The more the merrier. But frankly
> > > their scores are only useful as a checklog and distort the tables for
> > > the proper entries. The simplest solution would be to have a separate
> > > list for foreign entries.
> > > The other area that needs addressing is the inequity between the
> > > scoring for the different bands. If you stay up all night on 23 cms
> > > you might make 80 contacts for a maximum of 1000 pts whereas you can
> > > get the same score for 6 hours' operating on 4m. Shurely somthing wrong
> > > ere!
> > >
> > > 73 all Peter Tribe G0VVE
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:37:31 +0100
> > From: dave at g4buo.com
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> > To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <d581abab1daf4ccd854e9d2792af0e7a.squirrel at www.jaftech.co.uk>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > > it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or
> > > certificates.
> >
> > Maybe the rules have changed John but a few years ago that's exactly what
> > happened. G0FBB/P were denied the band-leader's certificate for 50MHz,
> > because of a higher score from a group that wasn't eligible to take part
> > in the contest. Still rankles.
> >
> > Dave G4BUO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:04:59 +0100
> > From: "John MacLean MM0CCC" <mm0ccc at gmx.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Message-ID: <A9D8E843805146CFA25DB21640F67E4D at mm0ccc8b3078b6>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > I recall the discussion about this at the time, Dave, but cannot remember
> > the outcome.
> >
> > Looking at the rules, my interpretation of 10.d would be that the leading UK
> > station should receive a cert as section winner, but EI9E/P would also merit
> > one as highest scoring staion and/or leading overseas entry. Diplomatic
> > response this may well be, but I'm sure our group has won some 50MHz and
> > 70MHz Open Sections, received a cert to confirm this, yet still scored less
> > than EI9E/P did.
> >
> > 73
> > John MM0CCC
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dave at g4buo.com>
> > To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> >
> >
> > >> it's not as if they are stealing our trophies or
> > >> certificates.
> > >
> > > Maybe the rules have changed John but a few years ago that's exactly what
> > > happened. G0FBB/P were denied the band-leader's certificate for 50MHz,
> > > because of a higher score from a group that wasn't eligible to take part
> > > in the contest. Still rankles.
> > >
> > > Dave G4BUO
> > >
> > >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:43:19 +1000
> From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: Chris Parnell <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> Cc: UK contest Committee <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <1316986999.4e7fa0776e4d3 at postoffice.tpg.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, Sep 26th, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Chris Parnell <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Why are some people just not happy unless they are whinging about
> > something or other, rather that putting their energies into getting more
> > UK stations on air and in the logs.
> >
>
> Why do some people take a simple query and view it as a "whinge"?
>
> Chris, IMHO, the results table should reflect the results of the contest. If a station is not elligible as
> an entrant, then it shouldn't appear in the main results list and it shouldn't affect other entrants.
>
> It's as simple as that. No whinge at all - merely voicing a viewpoint.
>
> 73,
>
> Phil
> G0HSS/VK4BAA etc
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:16:08 +0100
> From: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: <philhss at tpg.com.au>, "Chris Parnell" <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> Cc: UK contest Committee <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <210F14FD571047B0974C6C1F970CAEE2 at G8HGN1442PC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi,
>
> The station in question was eligible to enter the contest, but, not eligible
> for a trophy. That's why they were included in the overall results. The
> contest summary made that quite clear. I've copied and pasted the relevent
> text below.
>
> " PORTABLE RESULTS.
>
> Open section. Once again, Wexford VHF Group appears at the head of the
> overall Open section table, in #1 position, with an overall score of 5114
> points. Readers are reminded that only UK-based entrants are eligible for
> Awards and all band-scores are normalised against the highest scoring UK-
> located station. Thus, Wexford's normalised scores on 50 MHz, 70 MHz and 432
> MHz are each greater than 1000."
>
> "In official 1st place lies Colchester RA for the second year running - in
> their most recent series of wins - with 3538 points. They receive the Surrey
> Trophy and our congratulations. In 2nd place lies Windmill CG, back up from
> 4th last year. In 3^rd position lies Pembrokeshire CG with 3143 points. The
> highest placed Scottish group, in 6th position, with 2591 points, is
> Cockenzie & Port Seton ARC. They regain the Tartan Trophy from Aberdeen
> VHFG, who are placed 12th this year. Placed at #2, with 673 points, is
> PE1RLF - this year's second overseas entry. " and "Certificates. In
> addition to the Awards mentioned above, Certificates are awarded to all
> registered portable stations in the winner or runner-up position in all
> sections and bands and to the leading stations in each UK country.
> Additionally, Wexford VHFG is awarded a Certificate for the leading overseas
> Group entry. These are all indicated with an asterisk in the accompanying
> tables. "
>
> It just so happened that a non-UK station was first overall, had they come
> 4th, 10th or any other place, they still would have be put in the overall
> results, like PE1RLF/p.
>
> Now had they been in VK and not worked any of the other entrants, that's a
> different scenario, one hopefully the rules have been formulated to aviod.
>
> Bob G8HGN
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <philhss at tpg.com.au>
> To: "Chris Parnell" <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> Cc: "UK contest Committee" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26th, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Chris Parnell
> > <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are some people just not happy unless they are whinging about
> >> something or other, rather that putting their energies into getting more
> >> UK stations on air and in the logs.
> >>
> >
> > Why do some people take a simple query and view it as a "whinge"?
> >
> > Chris, IMHO, the results table should reflect the results of the contest.
> > If a station is not elligible as
> > an entrant, then it shouldn't appear in the main results list and it
> > shouldn't affect other entrants.
> >
> > It's as simple as that. No whinge at all - merely voicing a viewpoint.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Phil
> > G0HSS/VK4BAA etc
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:47:58 +1000
> From: philhss at tpg.com.au
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> To: Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
> Cc: UK contest Committee <uk-contest at contesting.com>, Chris Parnell
> <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <1317001678.4e7fd9cecd121 at postoffice.tpg.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> So, there's differences in 'Overseas' stations?
>
> If I entered but obviously couldn't work anyone else in 'the contest' but worked stuff over here, I
> wouldn't be listed, but if a station is also overseas but works someone else participating in the
> contest, they'd be listed and possibly gain a certificate if they did well enough?
>
> Surely, either a station is overseas, or it isn't?
>
> >From afar, the listing seems to me to be somewhat dodgy as non-eligible stations are listed
> alongside eligible stations. Seems to me that this approach might not ruffle some peoples feathers
> but might also make some 'proper' participants a bit narked.
>
> As I say, it's not a whinge (as some have suggested) but it seems a little strange to me. It's just an
> opinion that's all. However, if I'd entered from the UK and an overseas station had snatched a band
> leader certificate away from me, I'd certainly be upset. I might even whinge about it. 8-)
>
> 73,
>
> Phil
> 'Overseas' station - not eligible for anything 8-)
>
> On Mon, Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The station in question was eligible to enter the contest, but, not
> > eligible
> > for a trophy. That's why they were included in the overall results. The
> > contest summary made that quite clear. I've copied and pasted the relevent
> >
> > text below.
> >
> > " PORTABLE RESULTS.
> >
> > Open section. Once again, Wexford VHF Group appears at the head of the
> > overall Open section table, in #1 position, with an overall score of 5114
> >
> > points. Readers are reminded that only UK-based entrants are eligible for
> >
> > Awards and all band-scores are normalised against the highest scoring UK-
> >
> > located station. Thus, Wexford's normalised scores on 50 MHz, 70 MHz and
> > 432
> > MHz are each greater than 1000."
> >
> > "In official 1st place lies Colchester RA for the second year running - in
> >
> > their most recent series of wins - with 3538 points. They receive the
> > Surrey
> > Trophy and our congratulations. In 2nd place lies Windmill CG, back up
> > from
> > 4th last year. In 3^rd position lies Pembrokeshire CG with 3143 points.
> > The
> > highest placed Scottish group, in 6th position, with 2591 points, is
> > Cockenzie & Port Seton ARC. They regain the Tartan Trophy from Aberdeen
> > VHFG, who are placed 12th this year. Placed at #2, with 673 points, is
> > PE1RLF - this year's second overseas entry. " and "Certificates. In
> > addition to the Awards mentioned above, Certificates are awarded to all
> > registered portable stations in the winner or runner-up position in all
> > sections and bands and to the leading stations in each UK country.
> > Additionally, Wexford VHFG is awarded a Certificate for the leading
> > overseas
> > Group entry. These are all indicated with an asterisk in the accompanying
> >
> > tables. "
> >
> > It just so happened that a non-UK station was first overall, had they come
> >
> > 4th, 10th or any other place, they still would have be put in the overall
> >
> > results, like PE1RLF/p.
> >
> > Now had they been in VK and not worked any of the other entrants, that's a
> >
> > different scenario, one hopefully the rules have been formulated to
> > aviod.
> >
> > Bob G8HGN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <philhss at tpg.com.au>
> > To: "Chris Parnell" <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Cc: "UK contest Committee" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] VHF NFD results table
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 26th, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Chris Parnell
> > > <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Why are some people just not happy unless they are whinging about
> > >> something or other, rather that putting their energies into getting
> > more
> > >> UK stations on air and in the logs.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Why do some people take a simple query and view it as a "whinge"?
> > >
> > > Chris, IMHO, the results table should reflect the results of the
> > contest.
> > > If a station is not elligible as
> > > an entrant, then it shouldn't appear in the main results list and it
> > > shouldn't affect other entrants.
> > >
> > > It's as simple as that. No whinge at all - merely voicing a viewpoint.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > G0HSS/VK4BAA etc
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > UK-Contest mailing list
> > > UK-Contest at contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/uk-contest
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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